Normally, the UN can kiss my ass, but.....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 04:17
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Good for you. I don't hate you Jack, I just get fed up with the way you conduct yourself sometimes.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Stuff like this.. ridiculous...
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07254/816402-153.stm
But there was something about this naggin the crap out of me last night, and I chewed on it mentally a while, and for my conscience, I gotta point this one out to ya.
Something y'all need to think about, and think hard, before you walk into something you may not be prepared for.
Thing is, one has to explore the legal and real world ramifications of what to do NEXT, if you should have your browncoat lined with the stuff like mine is.
Now mind you, I have a valid excuse, given my employment, you understand, that and a somewhat battered second-chance IIA which serves dual purpose as crash protection as well as defensively, not to mention it gets freakin COLD up here and my skinny ass can use the extra layers.
But what you need to think about, is that when officer unfriendly hands out the zap, and you DON'T go down - he's gonna escalate it.
Are you prepared for that ?
What do you mean to do ABOUT it ?
Look, even if you are wholly in the right, legally and from a self-defense standpoint, if you cap an officer, even one bent on your imminent homicide, the rest of the force WILL do their level best to kill you, and even if they don't you can be absolutely assured that you'll be beaten bloody and thrown in the tank for further abuse, or relegated to a nice private cell you can "commit suicide" in.
IF you survive that, you're still looking down the twin barrels of continual harrassment (see also: Brent Darrow)
http://nwi.com/interact/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18674
And massive legal bills, bail, and quite possibly asset forfeiture if they wanna play hardball.
(see also: Dean Koontz: Dark Rivers of the Heart)
And if, by some miracle chance you come out the other end in one piece, still employed with a survivable income, you'll still have to look over your shoulder for the rest of your life.
The best answer to it is what Me, Leadb, Anthony and many others are saying, is to address and correct the issue before it comes to do or die.
It's all well and good to ponder applying such a thing defensively, but you better damned well consider the whole picture and potential ramifications in advance rather than being caught out like a deer in the headlights with a police 9mm para headed for your center of mass.
Just sayin, think it THROUGH before you DO, ok ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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That's a great message Frem, and certainly one that I didn't consider before you posted it. Thanks for the warning.
Still, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have this type of protection under your sleeve, or shirt as it were, when that rapist or mugger gets his hands on one of these things. Good point somebody (maybe you) made above that criminals are probably even more likely to use this than a gun because you can't fight back while they gank your shit and they're under the belief that you won't die from the tazer so they won't get an attempted murder rap should they be apprehended.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Calm down man. I wasn't badmouthing your country, if you notice what I wrote, I was bad mouthing your government, not your country. Also what I said was more flippant than anything else, how you read into it to the point that I was talking down to you is beyond me, it certainly wasn't as it was meant. However, frankly the US governments international meddling is at least on a par with the UN's, so it seems a mite unfair to be trashing the UN, then demanding an appology for pointing out the US governments own faults in that area.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
Citizen:
After having read some of your posts I will readily concede that you are ________ more intelligent and articulate than myself. Having said that, If you chose to talk down to me, or badmouth my country again, I promise name calling will in-sue.
Edited:(removed probably)
I don't know were you got the idea I was asking for an apology. I was simply making an idle threat(because that's what we do). Your response was interesting. I had no idea that there are people who hold such allegiance to the UN. Where I come from its pretty safe to trash the UN, and the French of coarse(pre-Sarkozy). Another thing that is confusing to me is why you would think it's better to trash the US government. I'm sure your aware that the US is a Democratic Republic and therefore the people and the government are equally culpable for any misdeeds.
I also took the time to read more of your posts and as a result have edited the "probably" from my previous post.
"Rock Chalk, Jayhawk, KU"
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Quote:Yeah, I realised it was an imperfect statement when I made it.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
I don't know were you got the idea I was asking for an apology. I was simply making an idol threat(because that's what we do).
Quote:I don't hold allegiance to the UN, I do however think it's unfair to trash the UN for causing pain and suffering through it's meddling, when it's not particularly extraordinary in that regard. Yeah, I picked on the US somewhat, perhaps unfairly but I think it's a valid comparison. I could pick on France, Russia, or the UK as easily. How many have died in the US/Russia cold war interventions? How many died when France just couldn't accept that it's imperial rule in Indochina was over and continued to fight on in the region? How many died when that conflict morphed into a cold war game between the US and Russia? Afghanistan in the 80's?
Your response was interesting. I had no idea that there are people who hold such allegiance to the UN.
In the wash, I think the world has been somewhat improved for the UN. Perhaps they could have done more with Malaria, but it's hardly their meddling that caused Malaria, the UN's intervention, if anything had a positive impact on the situation.
Quote:Indeed, and I tend to hold myself accountable for the actions of my government to some degree. But I don't think it's fair to characterise a criticism of the US Government or its foreign policy as an attack on the American people, it's country or it's ideals. It's how genuine criticism gets characterised as anti-Americanism. I in fact have no love for most of the US governments foreign policy, but I don't necessarily think that reflects on to the American people.
Another thing that is confusing to me is why you would think it's better to trash the US government. I'm sure your aware that the US is a Democratic Republic and therefore the people and the government are equally culpable for any misdeeds.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Indeed, and I tend to hold myself accountable for the actions of my government to some degree. But I don't think it's fair to characterise a criticism of the US Government or its foreign policy as an attack on the American people, it's country or it's ideals. It's how genuine criticism gets characterised as anti-Americanism. I in fact have no love for most of the US governments foreign policy, but I don't necessarily think that reflects on to the American people.
Wow.... say it isn't so. An entire paragraph came of your fingertips Citizen that not only do I not have a problem with any of it, but I actually strongly parallell that viewpoint.
I'm in such shock and awe now that I won't even mention my hatered for the UN this post.... well, twice anyhow.
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