Normally, the UN can kiss my ass, but.....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 04:17
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badkarma
You are so full of attitude and so short of facts.
"The hell with the UN ... What have they ever done that was worth talking about? What have they accomplished? NOTHING."
They eradicated smallpox and are close to eradicating polio. That's no small accomplishment.
"it is more dangerous than ever to be a police officer of any level ..."
It's actually not that dangerous being a cop. It's over 500x more dangerous being in transportation, farming or logging.
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"people would rather see detainees killed by physical restraint"
"So instead we’ll just beat their head in with a baton or crush their larynx with a knee?"
Hello. Words ? Pepper spray ? There is FAR less danger to either party using words, and very little danger using pepper spray. Why use a taser when either of those would suffice ?
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Most normal people assume using the LEAST amount of force needed is the goal. Others here don't make that assumption. I don't know what category that puts them in, but it ain't normal.
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Quote:To begin with Pepper spray is only really effective when it contacts the face. It’s hard to aim and it splatters. It should also be noted that pepper spray can cause serious issues for people respiratory problems. Pepper spray is good for stopping an offender, but it’s less effective in forcing compliance. Once the suspect is stopped, they still need to be subdued so that he cuffs can be put on and pepper spray is probably more likely to cause problems with this as a detainee may be unwilling to move his hands away from his face, since his eyes and nose are killing him right now. It’s effects last - a long time, where the pain inflicted by a taser disappears as soon as the taser stops. I’d much rather be tasered then pepper sprayed.
Originally posted by rue:
Hello. Words ? Pepper spray ? There is FAR less danger to either party using words, and very little danger using pepper spray. Why usee a taser when either of those would suffice ?
It may sometimes be preferable to a taser, but it‘s not a replacment.
As far as “using words“, well communication is ALWAYS the preferable initial tactic now isn’t it, but only an absolute fool would rely on it in all situations especially if the initial attempt to communicate has failed. Basically, if we’re talking about tasers and pepper spray, we can all assume that communication has failed.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
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Like the cop that tasered the driver who wouldn't sign the ticket ? Oh, I told him to, he didn't so I used my taser.
A sterling example of the necessary use of a taser.
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Yeah, right.
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So instead we’ll just beat their head in with a baton or crush their larynx with a knee?
How about using violence to oppose violent peeps? Non-violent perps can be handled in ways that don't include busted skulls or taser-induced heart falure.
It's the whole pre-emptive mindset where action is concerned that troubles me.
Have you seen this, Finn?
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fae_1195587967&p=1
I think it's amazing how the officer spins the sit to seem like he needed to tase the fella.
And if the dude had died, I guarantee you this vid would be disappeared from jump.
Cowards love-y the taser. All of the abuse; none of the blood. Less paperwork that way.
And just to say it- yes, I DO think they have a place in law enforcement, just not in the hands of the average fool, which, unfortunately by my estimation, would be easily one-third of any group, including policemen.
An elitist, and proud of it Chrisisall
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Originally posted by rue:
They eradicated smallpox and are close to eradicating polio. That's no small accomplishment.
Reversing its policy, UN agency promotes DDT to combat the scourge of malaria http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19855&Cr=malaria&Cr1
"15 September 2006 – Nearly 30 years after safety concerns led to the phasing out of indoor spraying with DDT and other insecticides to control malaria, the United Nations health agency said today it will start promoting this method again to fight the global scourge that kills more than one million people every year, including around 3,000 children everyday."
For every one person the UN has helped, they probably have killed two with their meddling. Looks like maybe 50 million may have died over the past 30 years from Malaria thanks to UN.
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Quote:If you say so. Sounds more like an inappropriate use to me, if what you say is true, but a cop can just as easily misuse, with far worse consequences, pepper spray or a baton.
Originally posted by rue:
Like the cop that tasered the driver who wouldn't sign the ticket ? Oh, I told him to, he didn't so I used my taser.
A sterling example of the necessary use of a taser.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:The best cops I know are mostly self-trained.
Originally posted by Geezer:
They're a tool which can be used properly or misused, just like anything else. Obviously, all law enforcement in the country hasn't gotten appropriate training
In my world cops are paid twice as much- but then it's twice as hard to become one.
The 'humanity' test is a snag Chrisisall
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Quote:Shit, a few more they'd be competing with the US government.
Originally posted by Kirkules:
For every one person the UN has helped, they probably have killed two with their meddling. Looks like maybe 50 million may have died over the past 30 years from Malaria thanks to UN.
Always the brides maid UN.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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"Looks like maybe 50 million may have died over the past 30 years from Malaria thanks to UN."
You pulled the 50 million out of your ass. Where you seem to get all your other 'facts' and attitudes.
I'll give you a tip. When you include a link, be sure it doesn't contradict you.
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