Normally, the UN can kiss my ass, but.....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 04:17
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Re: Taser + Camera.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
You look at the crap they're willing to pull on camera, in front of witnesses, and you think about how bad it likely is when they are not.
You *have* to address the core corruption of the sub-society that is the police force itself, before you have a hope in hell of ever getting them to act like human beings.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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maybe there should be some sort of standard inquiry in front of a board every time an officer uses a tazer.
Isn't there something in place like that for when they end up shooting somebody, even if its lawful? maybe not. I'm using tv shows as my source here...
granted, that's used more to cover their ass and make things look as if they took the matter gravely, than it is to unearth any wrong-doing,
but I'd expect a cop who had to go through all those hoops every time he used a tazer, to think twice about it, you know, in those situations when he has time to think twice about it(which means he shouldn't be fucking using it!)
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Hello,
I don't advocate banning guns, and I don't advocate banning tasers.
They should just be used appropriately.
--Anthony
"Liberty must not be purchased at the cost of Humanity." --Captain Robert Henner
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As was mentioned before tasers were originally an alternative to deadly force - ie guns. Where before you'd reach for your gun, you were suppose to reach for your taser.
NOW they're being used as 'a routine method to gain compliance'.
Is there anyone here who doesn't see the difference ? Geezer ?
And Frem has a good point - if they do this kind of stuff on camera, what about when the camera is off ?
Tasers have become an all-purpose tool. Be queit. ZZTT. Move along. ZZTTT. Come with me ZZZTTT. Sign the ticket. ZZTTT. Did you shoplift this ? ZZTTT. He punched my partner. Time for street justice. ZZZZTT. ZZZTT. ZZTTT. Let's see what a badass he is now. ZZZTT. ZZZTTT.
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OK, so Tasers are evil... should we go back to using batons? A Taser prevents harm to the officer and Tasers do NOT result in death. In every recorded case it has been due to additional factors almost always involving resistance from the suspect and use of additional weapons or techniques. (Taser, plus baton, plus pepper spra, as well as body weight of officers to keep the subject subdued).
Sure, I understand the Taser can be classified as a form of torture. But how is pepper spray then not? Shooting burning hot sauce into someone's eyes must also be torture so scratch that.
Then we've got the baton. Very crude, basically whacking someone until they're bruised and beaten to a pulp. That's not very nice, scratch that.
So, we're left with the gun. Don't want to use that in a lot of situations, you know it does cause death. But technically death is worse than torture (it ranks higher in the UN Declaration of Human Rights).
So say we arm officers with what they've already got: their fists and feet. I'll admit properly trained martial arts experts can be very effective. But I don't see every police officer there is becoming such an expert. Especially when the assailant may have a their own weapon (from baton, to knife, to gun).
So I think it is important to remember here that every technique or tool that the police use can be classified in one way or another as either torture or against one right or another. The purpose of these tools is to subdue those who are breaking the law and resisting arrest. We should realise that yes we would like to avoid using these tools but in the end it is for the same reason we take our people's liberty and send them to jail and say it is ok.
* Mind you, these past couple of weeks their has been some bad judgement calls by the police as to the use of the Taser.
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"So, we're left with the gun."
As was mentioned before tasers were originally an alternative to deadly force - ie guns. Where before you'd reach for your gun, you were suppose to reach for your taser.
NOW they're being used as 'a routine method to gain compliance'.
Anyone here NOT see the difference ? Tpage ?
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Well, all I can say is that if this is the direction we're moving in, I can only consider the cops as my enemy, and by extension, myself a criminal. Go ahead. Keep pushing us.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Originally posted by rue:
Anyone here NOT see the difference ? Tpage
I'm seeing it Rue, but the point falls on deaf ears. The argument of tasers as alternatives to deadly force is fake and doesn't address any of the abuse cases being discussed.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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I was just hoping that people who posit tasers as an all purpose tool will understand that their original use was as an alternative to deadly force only. That's the reason why they came into acceptance even though everyone at the time understood the potential for abuse.
Geezer snickeringly said - "Looks like the only choices are polite conversation or a bullet to the brain." Aside from being an obvious false dilemma, polite conversation is one of THE most effective tools for gaining cooperation and deescalating a situation. It's the CHP's first weapon of choice, so to speak. And when dealing with potentially unstable people, "have you eaten today?" and "can I get you anything?" get a far better response and more cooperation than anything else.
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I don't now, nor have I ever, gave a damn what the UN thinks. They have proven time and again that they are inept, undecisive, and corrupt to the core. It's apparently fine and dandy to kill people for having a different ethnicity or religion in nearly every part of the world, so long as we, here in America, don't mistreat our criminals, lol.
The hell with the UN and their rules, opinions, and all around wussy ways. What have they ever done that was worth talking about? What have they accomplished? NOTHING.
So who cares what they think?
Bad_karma
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