Normally, the UN can kiss my ass, but.....
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 04:17
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they got this one right anyways:
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,22814674-5001028,0
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Better enjoy those taser videos while you can. Once America has been sold to the higest bidder and we're under UN rule, the boys in blue won't be able to tase anymore.... that is, unless the UN just outright legalizes torture, which I suppose is very possible as well.
"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Doubt it'll have any impact here, Jack.
Of all the countries that signed off on the UN Convention on the rights of children, every civilized nation and a couple I might consider not to be so... only one, at this time, has refused to sign off.
Only one...
This one.
And when sanctions against a certain country that shall not be named come up, only one nation, generally, votes against them.
Care to guess ?
So no, it won't have much effect.
Thing is, I would rather not see them outright banned, since they ARE less lethal than a firearm and can save lives in a case where otherwise you would shoot someone - but it seems it's gonna have to happen cause we cannot trust the goons we issued them to behave like adults instead of swaggering high school jockboys, and no one is willing to adopt the policies that would limit or prevent their abuse in spite of that fact.
So I guess ban it's gonna be, which we'll conveniently ignore just like we do edicts against a certain country that shall not be named.
Our membership in the UN, who quite rightfully pitched us off the council for human rights, seems to be reaching a shit or get off the pot position - in this I am not fully in agreement with Ron Paul, as I think we should take a leadership position and lead by example, making friends instead of enemies, allies instead of opponents, and help clean out the corruption of the UN itself - but I think we've effectively destroyed our own reputation enough that such is no longer possible at this time.
So either do it right, or pull out and tell em where to stuff their dues, but damn man, one or the other, yanno ?
Halfassery is just stupid.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"The use of these weapons causes acute pain, constituting a form of torture," the UN's Committee against Torture said.
Well, I guess pepper spray, bily clubs, restraining holds, handcuffs, piling on, etc. are all right out too, since they can also cause acute pain. Looks like the only choices are polite conversation or a bullet to the brain.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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You're right. And i would believe if they were trying to outlaw them those would exact examples of what we'd say to defend it.
Honestly, if you are say about 190 lb and about 6 feet tall and, you are having to arrest a hostile man who is about 275 and 6 foot 7. What are you gonna want that you know will take him down? The very effective taser!
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Well....when you put it that way.....
it sounds like something Bill would say on FOX's no spin zone....
lol
Just playin with you Geeze....
I'm not entirely opposed to tazers. I think that in crucial circumstances that they can be a great boon to law enforcement, and civiilzation in general. I'm just not too impressed with ways that I've seen them used as of late. I'm sure I don't see many (if any) good uses that the tazer has produced since it's adoption by law enforcement officals, but I realize that at the same time, I rarely ever see a criminal get away on America's Wildest Police Chases either. To show the other side would to be to discredit the intent of those showing the images.
There's camera's everywhere now, most importantly in this case right on the front of the cop car, that can show both sides of what happens. I have no problem with our law enforcement using them if it is used in a judicious and intelligent manner as if the cops had some training before being given that power.
I have a problem, however, when cops think to themselves "hey... I've got this amazing weapon that won't kill the victim. That means I can pretty much use it like I'm James Bond with a license to kill....."
These cops should be tried in a fair court of law. Every single person who is guilty of using one when not legally permitted to do so should lose their badge and any medical care they recieve and any possible pension they had.
That's the end of me on my soap box here......
EDITED TO ADD: Here's a link of something I believe can't be warranted by the people.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fae_1195587967&p=1
Nothing like getting tazed in the back for not complying with orders, (with no legal basis) especially when you never once posed a physical threat... "A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack
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Originally posted by Geezer:
Looks like the only choices are polite conversation or a bullet to the brain.
For an incompetent fool, perhaps. A trained professional would realize those aren't the only two alternatives. It's a false dichotomy Geez. These things are being held up as an alternative to lethal force, but that's not how they're being used. The cops tasing protesting college kids, or argumentative drivers in traffic stops, aren't facing this hypothetical dilemma. They're looking for a way to control the situation that's easier for them. That's all this is about, convenience for cops. Don't try to tell me that being electrocuted is 'for my own good'.
SergeantX
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
These cops should be tried in a fair court of law. Every single person who is guilty of using one when not legally permitted to do so should lose their badge and any medical care they recieve and any possible pension they had.
I hear ya, but I still think there's something inherent in the designed use of these things that makes them 'cruel and unusual punishment' from the onset.
For those of you so enthusiastic about granting ultimate power to authority, answer me this hypothetical question. Let's say someone develops a way to implant a remotely triggered 'pain chip' in the human brain at birth. It's foolproof, can't be removed, and can only be triggered by police officers. It would give them the ability to completely disable anyone in they deal with instantly and with no permanent damage. Would you be as excited about that? Would it keep us 'safe'? By all the arguments beign trotted out for tasers, this new tool would be awesome, right?
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Sarg;
First, if they even get seriously close about installing such a chip in 'everybody', I'm heading North.
Second, unless you are -also- going to take away their guns, I'd rather police be issued both; with severe penalties for misusing the taser ; with reviews as Frem and I have been discussing over time. If you are ready to take the guns away from the cops, then ok, I'd be happy to see tasers go too.
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I guess it comes down to a question of how much control we want authority to have. I want it to be minimal. I want to have the choice whether to fight back or not. I'm not willing to give them the ability to reach into my mind and fuck with my very will. I want to be able to say, "You can kill me, but you can't control me." Hopefully, I'll never feel compelled to choose that option, but I want it to be there.
The thing is, we are rapidly approaching the point where technology (tasers are only the beginning) will be capable of rendering resistance futile. We'll be able to not only catch and punish people who break the law, but control them to the point that they can't break the law in the first place. We'll put chips in their cars so they can be disabled by authorities. We'll have cameras everywhere to detect any 'suspicious behaviour'. We'll track and monitor everyone who seems like a threat (to the government?). I suspect a fair number of people today think those sorts of things would be a good idea, and that frightens me.
Freedom, real freedom, also includes the freedom to break the law. It includes the freedom to resist.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Yeah. Best we go back to the good ole days, when a sturdy billy club got the job done....
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