And now for something completely different
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, November 25, 2007 19:14
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They are pretty, and I'm all for rainbows. But you might get more folks if you start a fresh thread ;-)
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I believe rainbows are the earthly representation of the all powerful creation being - The Goddess Selene, or the Moon to you lesser mortals, who commands me to drink bacchanalian amounts of wine while driving and, as one of her monks, to engage in sexual relations with her priestesses ((Being Dancers, Actresses, and Girls with cute//hot feet)) occasionally for money. Also, Selene put the idea of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the head of its prophet in order to reveal her divine and Entirely non Noodly foot-creation-wellspring-appendage.
Now, do you believe me, or no? Am I lying? Am I telling the truth but think I'm just making a joke? Does this really Matter ((An Emphatic No if you ask me.))? Discuss, or not, as you will -
Just to bring this back to the original purpose of the thread.
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
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Quote:I find your gospel intriguing, and wish to subscribe to your religion.
Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
as one of her monks, to engage in sexual relations with her priestesses ((Being Dancers, Actresses, and Girls with cute//hot feet)) occasionally for money.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Quote:I don't believe you.
Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
I believe rainbows are the earthly representation of the all powerful creation being - The Goddess Selene, or the Moon to you lesser mortals, who commands me to drink bacchanalian amounts of wine while driving and, as one of her monks, to engage in sexual relations with her priestesses ((Being Dancers, Actresses, and Girls with cute//hot feet)) occasionally for money. Also, Selene put the idea of the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the head of its prophet in order to reveal her divine and Entirely non Noodly foot-creation-wellspring-appendage.
Now, do you believe me, or no?
Quote:Yes, I believe you are telling a "white lie."
Am I lying?
Quote:Perhaps. By best guess is 'no'.
Am I telling the truth but think I'm just making a joke?
Quote:Another good questions. I'll give it a 'moderately'.
Does this really Matter ((An Emphatic No if you ask me.))?
Quote:Done;-)
Discuss, or not, as you will -
Just to bring this back to the original purpose of the thread.
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Ok, then how about this -
Is it possible to speak un-truths without lying? I for one believe it is. Whenever I start up "Alas, Poor Yorrick, I knew him Horatio, a fellow of infinite jest..." I am not lying, but I never did know a Yorrick, nor would I say any fellows of infinite jest.
It's then possible, I believe, to profess beliefs in something which is in all likelihoods patently false ((i.e. Pastafarianism, or my own herein described Moon and Foot worshiping ism.*)). It's simply farce, a form of acting on the grand stage if you will allow me the flowery prose.
P.S. - I only just realized that my description of the Most Honourable and Theatrical Order of the Priestesses of Selene comes off as if I meant our very own Summer Glau ((As a Browncoat, can I call her that?)). I would never sink so low as to imply that I am at all worthy of her, I simply meant my ex-girlfriend and the sort of girl I'm into ((Not to say that I was worthy of her either, but that's between me and my friend, who just happens to be my ex.))
*((I need to come up with a better name than this. Ok, here goes; how about Selenopodastry?))
"I'm not going to say Serenity is the greatest SciFi movie ever; oh wait yes I am." - Orson Scott Card
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Hmm, I'd be willing to amend the 'profession of belief' to:
Quote:That relieves of us the 'evil' word lie; however, I do not believe it makes a substantive difference. On the flip side, if there's any Pastafarians who find the 'new improved creed' less offensive, for the purposes of amicable relations, I'd be willing to go with a more 'politically correct' version.
I believe the Pastafarian religion of the FSM is a completely bogus religion created for the purpose of convincing school boards to not include ID in the school science books.
I believe those who are professing belief in the FSM are speaking fictitiously for the purpose in some cases of convincing folks such as the school boards to not include things such as ID in the school science books (or for other 'social causes'), in some cases as a simple lark, and in some cases to simply to upset other folks.
Or could toss in 'theatrically' instead of 'fictitiously'.
Hey Citizen... if you are still reading, would that ameliorate any of your concern?
Back To BrowncoatSandinista
I like the name; though it is a bit long. The obvious abbreviation of BS is likely to at least produce snickers if not offense... As to Selenopodastry . . . That's likely to confuse most folks (and even I'm edging a bit to confusion; Moon Footed?), and is likely to get misspelled a lot. On the bright side, it's very unique.
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Quote:With all due loving friendly respect, I think you're the one bringing up the issue of superiority (ie my belief being more important...). I'm making no judgement of the belief system itself.
Originally posted by citizen:
You can believe what you like, but then saying "they're all liars", you're setting up your belief as more important than another's.
To pick on antimason some more: suppose that anti showed up and posted: "I believe in evolution and the earth is definitely 4.5 billion years old!" Unless he explained more, I wouldn't take that statement as sincere. I would strongly suspect that he's being facetious for some reason of his own. This has nothing to do with the contest of my belief system versus the one he's falsely stating, because they're the same!
So, cit, if anti were to post the above, and I were to reply: "anti, you're pulling my leg. I know *you* don't mean that" would you say that I'm putting my beliefs above his stated ones? (Evolution more important than evolution? Huh?)
Quote:No, my statement is about the people involved more the belief system. Sure - my opinion of the belief system does enter in, because the sillier the system, the harder folks have to work to convince me that they genuinely believe it.
Further, if your saying "Everyone who believes X is a liar", the implication is that the belief isn't a real belief.
Keep in mind, I'm not telling anyone what they should believe. I'm just using my brain and forming opinions. As far as I've seen, the FSM is a construct used (quite successfully) in a debate I feel strongly about. But I've yet to meet someone who could (or even tried) to convince me that they truly believed in the Flying Spaghetti Monster's existence. That doesn't mean I'll be picketing any new Church of FSM that gets built, or arguing with anyone who has moments of comforting oneness with the FSM community. I think that's lovely.
I feel it should be clear by now, but if not, I'll say it again: I do, yes I do, think that the FSM is a belief system. But I don't believe it has any genuine believers at the current time. Perhaps that defies the definition of "belief system" in some folks' dictionaries, and that's the problem here...
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Quote:I don't believe you, though if you went on for some time I may start thinking that you believe yourself. And then I'd be afraid, very afraid.
Originally posted by BrowncoatSandinista:
Now, do you believe me, or no? Am I lying? Am I telling the truth but think I'm just making a joke?
OK, I think liar's too strong a word. I think if you were lying, you'd come up with something less outrageous in a real attempt to fool us. What you've stated is so exaggerated that I assume you're out to prove some point with it. Which you are. So, words that apply better: facetious, ironic, farcical, etc
Quote:The sincerity behind your professed belief only matters in one sense: how I reply to you, and my personal opinion of you and your mentality.
Does this really Matter ((An Emphatic No if you ask me.))? Discuss, or not, as you will -
Now, if I thought you really really believed all that, I might pay more attention, because I'm a dancer with cute feet (I think so anyway) and I don't want a bunch of creepy new-age priests humping my leg or drunkenly running their cars into my house. Since I know you're not serious, I'm not so worried about defending myself against you.
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Quote:You're telling someone what the contents of their head is, and ignoring what they say it is. I'm not talking about the belief system, I'm talking belief as in 'contents of their head'.
Originally posted by mal4prez:
With all due loving friendly respect, I think you're the one bringing up the issue of superiority (ie my belief being more important...). I'm making no judgement of the belief system itself.
Quote:I didn't say it would be, and it's an entirely different situation to what I've been talking about.
So, cit, if anti were to post the above, and I were to reply: "anti, you're pulling my leg. I know *you* don't mean that" would you say that I'm putting my beliefs above his stated ones? (Evolution more important than evolution? Huh?)
Quote:If you're making a blanket statement of all people that believe X, it HAS to be something inherent to X that you are basing your premise on, because you know nothing about the group, beyond their proposed belief in X.
No, my statement is about the people involved more the belief system. Sure - my opinion of the belief system does enter in, because the sillier the system, the harder folks have to work to convince me that they genuinely believe it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:
You're telling someone what the contents of their head is, and ignoring what they say it is. I'm not talking about the belief system, I'm talking belief as in 'contents of their head'.
Now now... you're contradicting yourself cit. I won't go digging, but I'm sure pretty near every reply you've posted to me brings up and focuses on "belief systems" and how my stance is a judgement on the belief system behind the "liars." Even later in your same post, that's your focus, see:
Quote:Not completely so. As I said, I make my blanket statement based not only on the silliness of FSM, but on what I've observed of adherents to FSM-ism, including the creator of it all. I see no evidence for genuine, deep-seated belief in anyone's head. I see FSM-ers using FSM as a tool in a debate.
If you're making a blanket statement of all people that believe X, it HAS to be something inherent to X that you are basing your premise on, because you know nothing about the group, beyond their proposed belief in X.
Maybe I'm wrong. I'll change my hypothesis when I see enough evidence to convince me that there are FSM believers. Can I just point out that there has not been a single person on this thread stepping up to say: "But I believe in the FSM with all my heart and soul!" (If smartassisall is here - don't you even do it!
) Things on the ID threads were quite different, now weren't they?OK, let me recap: what I've observed of FSM-ers is that they are facetious, as opposed to IDers who actually do believe. If you absolutely must see judgement in that, take it this way: I actually think the "lying" FSM-ers are more rational and less brainwashed than the IDers. I don't think this because of anything to do with the two BS filled myths, but because the FSM-ers don't actually believe their BS.
This is clearly all my opinion. (And since when is it not allowed to attempt to recognize truth from lies in people's heads? Uh... court witnesses?) I'm not trying to tell anyone what's in their head, because no one here is saying they believe in the FSM. If anyone was, that would change things. If anyone convinced me they believed, then I'd gladly update my theory as to FSM-ers.
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