And now for something completely different
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Quote:Not all religions are treated the same.
Originally posted by leadb:Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
In that case these are specific, explicit exceptions to the law that should apply to all religious practices concerned. The law makes exceptions for religion as a concept, not for specific religions above others. I can accept that, as long as it is practiced equally.
In this case the nature of the exception is paramount, not the benefector of that exeption. If exceptions are made for certain religions but not others then there's a problem that clearly needs to be addressed.
Also, if the nature of those exceptions interfers with the point of the law.
http://www.mjlegal.org/religious.html
No Mary Jane for the devout.
(Note: I'm not arguing for or against the legalization of Marijuana, merely making an observation.)
Then that's wrong, I'd say.
Where were we going with this?
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Quote:That is a very good question. I actually thought you might have a destination in mind. But... since you asked ;-)
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Then that's wrong, I'd say.
Where were we going with this?
If I wished to establish a religion which permitted the use of heroine, required the use of heroine in fact, do you believe it should be permitted under law; or only 'real' religions should get this benefit?
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Originally posted by leadb:Quote:That is a very good question. I actually thought you might have a destination in mind. But... since you asked ;-)
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Then that's wrong, I'd say.
Where were we going with this?
If I wished to establish a religion which permitted the use of heroine, required the use of heroine in fact, do you believe it should be permitted under law; or only 'real' religions should get this benefit?
I think no religion should get this benefit.
What I am saying is that if something is permitted on religious grounds, anyone claiming to do it on religious gorunds should have permission. Everything else is playing favorites on account of numbers.
I am NOT saying that everything should be permissible on religious grounds.
The real conflict there is in what is permissible on religious grounds at all.
Ideally there would be no exceptions. Everything allowed on religious grounds should be legal in the first place. That's apparently not the case, which I find worthy of questioning.
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I think I see.
So you think perhaps instead the use of peyote by US Native Americans should be abridged despite a tradition of use for hundreds of years?
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096411609
Edit:
Actually; this might be a bad example; enforcement of US law on Native American lands against Native Americans. If anyone happens to know, please advise; have to google a different example.
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Originally posted by leadb:
I think I see.
So you think perhaps instead the use of peyote by US Native Americans should be abridged despite a tradition of use for hundreds of years?
http://www.indiancountry.com/content.cfm?id=1096411609
No, actually, I think if the use of peyote is not inherently harmful used in a certain context of safety, then it shouldn't be illegal at all, or should be legal to all people claiming to use it for religious purposes, FSM or what not.
For contrast, I think the brutal slaughtering of people should not be permissible for anyone, religiously motivated or not. Nor do I think driving under the influence of religiously imbibed alcohol should be legal.
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As much as I hate the use of drugs, over time I've slowly reached the conclusion that the war on drugs is a bust; and it should be decriminalized and regulated, as is alcohol.
I can't think of anything besides drugs which gets favorable status for certain churches.
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Originally posted by leadb:
As much as I hate the use of drugs, over time I've slowly reached the conclusion that the war on drugs is a bust; and it should be decriminalized and regulated, as is alcohol.
I can't think of anything besides drugs which gets favorable status for certain churches.
Then we're mostly in agreement?
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Yep. And I'm out of ideas on where to go next; feel free to grab the wheel if something occurs to you.
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I just thought I'd throw this in, which is me just musing.
Many many years ago there was a story about a woman who was having sex with LOTS and LOTS of men. In the thousands. Anyway, she claimed she was a priestess for (???) Egyptian god and it was part of her religion. But she was busted (and I believe convicted) for prostitution. (As you can see a lot of the details escape me, it was a long time ago.)
At the time I didn't know what to make of it though I remember giving her the benefit of the doubt, I think because of her age. She was old enough to be a grandmother.
Recently I learned via the History Channel that indeed one of the obligations of the priestesses was to have lots and lots of lusty (nearly acrobatic) sex into old age - as long as they could manage. So indeed she was quoting a bona fide but obscure part of an ancient religion in her defense.
So it touches on two issues -
whether or not we accept people's beliefs just b/c they claim them
how much do we allow under the right of religious freedom
Not that I have any solid conclusions. Just musing.
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Originally posted by leadb:
feel free to grab the wheel if something occurs to you.
Does this just apply to agentrouka or does it apply to anyone? If the latter then: rainbows. Discuss.
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