And now for something completely different
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Sunday, November 25, 2007 19:14
VIEWED: 15117
PAGE 9 of 14
Mal, you are saying 'Sig' which is generally 'Signy'; it has been mostly 'Cit' or Citizen who is 'contesting' my position; and so far Sig hasn't posted anything I'd quibble with in the least on this topic. I suspect you mean 'Cit'
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:No apologies necessary! Or consider it accepted, in any case.
Originally posted by DRAyKE:
Sorry...
Any idea on where I should be posting this?
Also my bad for not posting the
BALTIMORE BROWNCOATS
Site Addy!
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/baltimorebrowncoats/
Thanks,
DRAyKE
Start here:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=20&t=31523
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:But only if Anti-Pasta Farianism is a recognised belief by leadb
Originally posted by leadb:
Do you believe? Do you honestly believe? If so, you may declare yourself an Anti-Pasta Farian.
.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Doesn't matter. I'm saying no one can tell anyone else what they're beliefs are, and that goes for any statement of "I believe X", which covers the FSM, if someone makes the statement "I believe in the FSM".
Originally posted by mal4prez:Quote:Thanks for sayin', sig. This is a key point. Can you see that leadb *is* talking about the FSM? As am I?
Originally posted by citizen:
I'm not talking about the specific case of the FSM, I'm talking about general belief.
I won't be drawn into a talk about the merits of a specific, because they're entirely irrelevant, and merely a rationalisation for deciding what is and what is not a belief. The only person that can decide if something is their belief is that person, not you, leadb, me or anyone else.
The tacit implication of deciding that the FSM isn't a valid belief, and anyone who says they believe it is a liar, is that you've also decided that Christianity et al. are real beliefs, and those people are not liars. It's not your place, or anyone else's, to decide which beliefs are real, and which are fake. You can believe they are fake all you like, but you have no right to then force that belief on someone else.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:But only if Anti-Pasta Farianism is a recognised belief by leadb
Originally posted by leadb:
Do you believe? Do you honestly believe? If so, you may declare yourself an Anti-Pasta Farian.
Hmm. A winky face. I guess we ran this one into the ground, eh?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Probably, agree to disagree?
Originally posted by leadb:
Hmm. A winky face. I guess we ran this one into the ground, eh?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Aye. Thanks for giving me more to think about.
Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Probably, agree to disagree?
Originally posted by leadb:
Hmm. A winky face. I guess we ran this one into the ground, eh?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Apparently Citizen and I agree so thoroughly on this point we get confused with each other? Well, I have to say that I'm pleased as all punch to be taken for such an esteemed poster. I don't know about Citizen, tho! 
Life has been crazy and I'll have to read back through the posts to see if I can add anything to the conversation. BTW- I DID try to find the proceedings of this conference to see if anything came up, but haven't been able to. It may take a month or so to publish, and it may never make it on-line, but I'll check.
---------------------------------
Always look upstream.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Okay, sorry to be a tail-end Charlie, but here's my take: a person can truly believe in something, or they can be merely professing to believe in something, but without evidence to support their beliefs their professed ideas are equally valid.
BTW- you'd be surprised what people can really believe in. All you have to do is look at past religions to know that people can be passionately and wholeheartedly pretty far "out there". But for a more current example: I was saying at work that believing in the Judeo-Xtian God was just about as sane as believing in an Easter bunny which lays chocolate eggs, and that very same day I found an article in the local newspaper about a man IN A BUNNY SUIT who was stalking a girl because God told him to. The line between sincere, baseless belief and delusion ... doesn't exist. IMHO. In fact, I prefer the tongue-in-cheek believer. 'cause at least I know they're not crazy. 
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Sorry, sig and cit! Thanksgiving day distractions... cooking and posting at the same time... I did mean to say I'm a fan of citizen. But I'm a fan of siggy too. 
So, citizen, here's the deal you don't seem to get: a Bible thumper can be a believer even if everything in the Bible is false. A FSM believer can be a liar even if the FSM is real.
What I'm arguing has nothing to do with whether the belief system is real, it has to do with what's in the head of those in the debate. Which... I said this before, but have to say it again... I can't know, of course, but if I had a lie detector, things would shake down in what I think is a predictable way.
-----------------------------------------------
hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME