Gun Control Spin
POSTED BY: AnthonyT
UPDATED: Sunday, November 25, 2007 19:08
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Originally posted by citizen:
That situation isn't anaglous to what there is now though.
And this is the problem that I have with the people who insist on the literal Second Amendment interpretation. It was written in a time when there was no standing army, wilderness outside almost everyones door and weapons that took quite a while to fire. The only way for someone to kill lots of people in short order would be to load themselves down with dozens of guns making themselves quite conspicuous. In the modern day the killing capacity of weapons (be they semi-auto, bolt action or even break action) is MUCH greater then it was 200 years ago, and the need for guns has decreased.
It is my opinion that if the FF knew the way weapon development would go they would not have made such a broad, sweeping statement. It is also my opinion that if the lawmakers did not feel that they could interpret the Second Amendment in a fashion that lets them reasonably restrict weapons then they would have passed a revised version by now.
That being said I do agree that current gun laws are made by people who don't understand weapons and have goals that are not constitutional. Reasonable gun control is good, the gun control desired by the average gun control advocate is not.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Righteous, I believe the best course of action is industry self-regulation - given current liability issues cause by sue-happy folk who are scared witless of a mere tool, it's in their own best interest to limit that liability by demanding some evidence of competence prior to sale.
Gun shows, private transfers, stolen weapons.
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Seriously, it's a simple, logical solution to many of the problems, have a list of inexpensive basic courses in firearm use and safety that meet the approval of said manufacturer and/or gun store, and require the certification from one of them as a condition of the sale, as is within the right of the businesses involved.
And perhaps offer a discount if one can provide a cert from a more involved/advanced training course, since those folk would have an even lower liability issue, you see.
Honestly, if you were going to buy a powerful tool that could harm or even kill you or someone else if mishandled - wouldn't you make sure you knew what the hell you were doing before you tried to use it ?
Generally speaking the problem is not the people who accidentally shoot someone so much as the people who intentionally shoot someone. In the latter case competence isn't a good thing
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That's an interesting approach frem, and one that deserves a folllow-up question. If you think that the industry will regulate itself if pushed by litigation, then are you for placing some blame at the foot of firearms distributors when the person they sold a gun to goes into a school and executes a classroom of children?
I'm not sure exactly how much that flies in the face of my sense of the liberetarian "Personal responsibility" stance,
but I don't think you can hold to your premise without promoting the right and even the need to go after the companies for damages done by their product.
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Quote:I think you missed my point. I meant that a ban on guns doesn't mean a ban on kitchen knifes.
Originally posted by Geezer:
None, so far. I haven't found a use for one yet and they're sorta expensive to keep around 'just in case'.
I have found that while cooking I do tend to use a 10" chef's knife or utility knife quite a bit more than a short paring knife. Screwdrivers, saws, hammers, etc. come in handy from time to time as well. My rifle has filled my freezer with all-natural wild game, saving me the cost and risk of hormone-'enhanced' beef. They're all tools to me - ones that I need - and I get the best I can afford.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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I think the gun 'industry' (however you want to parse it) should be held liable for gun deaths. It's their product after all. Once they have a few big lawsuits they'll be more careful about not losing too much money. In practice though what you will need are minimum standards and an impartial arbiter of fault. You wouldn't want the (self-insured) industry deciding on whether or not to pay a claim or how much is reasonable prevention.
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The car industry should be held liable for car accidents as well.
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How about the fast food industry for fatal heart attacks.
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Too late - it's been done.
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Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
How about the fast food industry for fatal heart attacks.
Done all the time
http://www.healthcastle.com/trans_fat_burgerking.shtml
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=2070417&page=1
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Out of curiosity Geeze, and yer not at all obligated to answer if you don't wanna...
What's yer preferred protein collection unit ?
Savage Model 16 in .300 Winchester Short Magnum with a Nikon 4.5x14 scope. Should work on everything from pronghorn to elk, although I haven't had a chance at elk yet. With a laser rangefinder, computer-generated drop tables, and a bit of practice, I'm comfortable out to about 600yds.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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