Joss' New Series
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Joss has posted at Whedonesque.com about Dollhouse. Here is what it says:
"Hi guys. What's going on?
I remember I was having lunch with Eliza, and thinking she was shiny, so shiny... and then I woke up here. Weird.
Pretty much everything has been said already, but I wanted to check in and give y'all muchas smooches for the support. This was all unexpected, but what can I say? When it's right, it's right. Right?
I'm kind of freaking out about the concept. It's fascinatng from every angle -- it won't stop talking to me. It's sweet and creepy and exciting and very human. I hope it doesn't suck, 'cause in my head it's fairly righteous.
As for young Minear's 'Miracle Man', that's still on -- he's agreed to consult for me while developing his own thing. He'll be doing the work of two near-men!
Updates will be updatified. Keep watching the skies. xo -j.
joss | November 01, 16:06 CET "
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
One word folks....FOX.
K, that "one word" has been used over and over in here. Being a fan site of Firefly, I am almost positive that there is not a single person that has engaged in this thread that doesn't know what the FOX of the past did. Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced? There is a sigh of relief around the office for most. Some look optimistically at the future and may even feel more comfortable about their job security. K, now apply that to FOX and this situation. Joss NEEDS a job. (much to his worshippers disbelief, he cannot create job Op.s with the blink of an eye
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
It has happened once and if Dollhouse goes a couple weeks without ratings it will get the hook too. Look at "Drive"...good show, good advertising and yet....it got the hook. I won't hold my breath on this surviving and wait to see "Goners" in 2009
Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network? We cannot compare the cancellation of FF with Drive. Drive is just not even close.
Joss answered the call from Fox, well, because they called.
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pdcharles wrote:
Friday, November 02, 2007 04:08 "Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced?" <--- Well I am not sure.....do you think The United States Air Force might be considered "medium to large?" What we have here is what is called a "trend" in the service. It is a recuring problem that hasn't been resolved. A change in management isn't a guarantee that things have changed. As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.
In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer. You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.
......I brought the Grenades.
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Originally posted by mycrew:
Joss has posted at Whedonesque.com about Dollhouse. Here is what it says:
"yadda yadda yadda stuff about dollhouse burble burble blah...
Updates will be updatified. Keep watching the skies. xo -j.
joss | November 01, 16:06 CET "
Does "Keep watching the skies" mean anything to anyone? Am I being hopeful about its possible meaning, possibly meaning a ship that flies in the sky would be visible if we look out for it?
Or is this just a phrase Joss uses, that has no real meaning, like "see ya later alligator".Am I being hopelessly optimistic, looking for secret hidden messages?
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.
My point exactly. We all know it. That analogy only says you can be hopeful about what MAY come from the change. You are choosing not to. Ur original post and others before in this thread came off as a warning to viewers and only adding to a long list of doubters. All we have is hope. For Joss and for FF. I'm just saying "enough already". I would understand if it were an investment, but not for tuning into a show. Some fans like to think they have a certain power in regards to network decisions. They absolutely do, to a degree. Ratings being number one. Then there are smaller factors in our case: letter writing, polls, planned events, etc. I haven’t seen one Fox bashing event yet. So even if fox cancels it tomorrow before it gets out of the gate. What? We were warned? If this were happening on NBC, we would have only half the content of this thread left.
Asking a question about previous work experiences and applying it as an analogy was just that, a question. Not meant as a personal attack on your work experience. Didn’t need to know where u work, but I guess ur answer is yes.
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer.
In the FOX (Firefly/Drive) example, this happened to Tim yes. Not Joss. I trust Joss's judgment over the bashers. All I'm saying. Instead of researching for some example of some other writer, I’ll just wait to see what Joss and Tim say about working with Fox NOW in the near future. If Fox were patient with Drive, do u think it would have lasted?
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.
Agree Whole-heartedly. Why I used the sarcasm below.
“much to his worshippers disbelief, he cannot create job Op.s with the blink of an eye
“What u said sounds good, but….I do know it does not apply to me. I don’t worship, I support Joss Whedon and his decisions. Much more so than whining about how the corporate TV world works. Maybe that is what happened, boycotts from orig. cancellation of FF, Wonderfalls, etc. caused the sharp decline in Drive's ratings. U guys won.
I guess the bashers can “glass half full it” when they are DVR’n Dollhouse even if it IS only seven times.
EDIT: ZOMG! I stand corrected, just found this recent pic.
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I wrote:
I haven’t seen one Fox bashing event yet.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=11&t=31136#554348
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
To be honest I’m not a Buffy fan, not an Angel fan ( have never seen an eps of either one) not to say they aren’t good and deserving of my attention but what has brought me into the realm of JW was FF/Serenity.
I have to say that's sad for you. Not all of Joss' shows appeal to everyone, but if you haven't even checked them out, you really don't know what you're missing. The reason Firefly/Serenity was so good, is from the experience he got writing shows like Buffy and Angel! Many episodes of both shows are some of the finest hours of television ever. You can't really say you're a Joss fan if you haven't seen his other two series.
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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I was freaking the frak out until I read one word: Fox. I suddenly feel sick.
I aim to misbehave, but I usually miss!
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Does "Keep watching the skies" mean anything to anyone? Am I being hopeful about its possible meaning, possibly meaning a ship that flies in the sky would be visible if we look out for it?
Or is this just a phrase Joss uses, that has no real meaning, like "see ya later alligator".Am I being hopelessly optimistic, looking for secret hidden messages?
I thought the same thing when I read it.
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
Joss you said you wouldn’t rest till you found FF a new home, I’m there with you. Go ahead and do other things to keep the old brainpan from collecting cobwebs just don’t forget your old cast and crew that still bring so much excitement to the cons on behave of your FF creation. Believe it or not you have a very big group of loyal believers and followers don’t be the kinda person that cops out when the going gets ridiculously hard. It’s been hard for all of us.
I agree the lack of further adventures of our BDH has been hard, but lets face some facts.
1. Joss did find Firefly a new home. Universal, and they let him make a movie. He kept his promise! He did the impossible, and got a movie based on a cancelled half season television series. That's incredible, and we should be happy that we got that!
2. We aren't a "very big group of loyal believers and followers". At least not in numbers that put bodies into theater seats. We didn't make Serenity a box office smash! Yeah, blame it on the studio's lame promotion. They didn't get average theater goers to buy tickets, but I'm sure the real fanbase did go, and we quite frankly weren't enough! DVD sales might change that somwhat, but the most we could reasonably expect from FOX or Universal, would be a direct to DVD movie, and that would depend on who would have such direct to DVD distribution rights. If that did happen, Joss would still have time to write and direct such a movie between seasons of Dollhouse. He ran three shows at the same time, so I don't think a series or two (Ripper is still under consideration with the BBC) and a movie or two would be too much of a burden for such a talented man to handle. With TIm attched, Joss could hand over the series reigns, and focus on the movie. Do you think J.J. Abrahms is running the day to day production of Lost, while trying to get a 80million dollar Star Trek movie going? I don't think so!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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Originally posted by GorramnReever:
pdcharles wrote:
Friday, November 02, 2007 04:08 "Have you ever worked at a medium-to-large size Co. where a bad CEO or management team was replaced?" <--- Well I am not sure.....do you think The United States Air Force might be considered "medium to large?" What we have here is what is called a "trend" in the service. It is a recuring problem that hasn't been resolved. A change in management isn't a guarantee that things have changed. As for the comment of what "Fox did in the past"....thanks for pointing out the blatantly obvious. It was used as an "introduction" to the rest of the rant....not as a focal point.
In response to "Do we have proof it would be any different on any other network?".....please show me an instance where it has happened on another network not just once but twice to the same writer. You can worship J Whedon all you like but when it clouds your vision to the point of blinders. You need to step back and try looking through a pair of glasses that aren't tinted by the rose.
......I brought the Grenades.
Sorry but when did it happen twice? Firefly was on Fox, that's one.
Buffy was cancelled by the WB, and moved to UPN for two more seasons.
Angel, again was cancelled after 5 seasons by the WB.
I see one cancelation by FOX, and 2 by the WB.
All three series were produced at FOX Television, but "FOX Television Studios", and "The FOX Network", are run by different people. FOX studios didn't cancel Firefly, The Fox Network did! Quit confusing one with the other!!!
I'd given some thought to movin' off the edge -- not an ideal location -- thinkin' a place in the middle.
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