Any Dune Readers Out There?
POSTED BY: milford
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 14:03
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Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
PS on the topic of cod mythology - any Lovecraft afficionados out there?
I have to agree with most of what was said about the Herberts and the Matrix. I read and loved all 6 books of the original dune series. I wouldn't say I HATED the new books, but I couldn't be bothered to read past the first 3 by his son. They just weren't quality.
I need somebody to explain to me what "cod mythology" is. I loved Lovecraft back in college. I spent a few months reading his entire collection from the school library. It was actually a somewhat deranging process. After I finally had finished reading every one of his short and long stories I felt a real sense of detox. I came to realize that I had really started to expect to find the bizarreness escaping from his stories into my surroundings. I actually found a need to stay out of the stacks at the library for a while. Every movement would put me on alert. Really mind-altering stuff for me.
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heh, by "theft" I did not mean metaphorical theft, but actual literal theft. As in the Wachowski's were pitched a script. They turned it down. Made the film as if their own. Google "The Matrix" and "Sophia Stewart".
They had to write the sequels themselves.
There was a lawsuit about this from what I remember.
By copying I meant that the Son Herbert was "inspired by" The Matrix reloaded and Revolutions. Not the other way around.
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After I finally had finished reading every one of his short and long stories I felt a real sense of detox. I came to realize that I had really started to expect to find the bizarreness escaping from his stories into my surroundings.
There's a great short story along similar lines in Neil Gaimain's Fragile Things. In it a person living a life in a horror novel tries desparately to write what he thinks a horror novel should be like. HI-larious.
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Milford, Did you like the Lovecraft-meets-Holmes story, 'A Study in Emerald'?
Cod Mythology is cobbled together and made up mythology. But I was really making a very feeble joke about Lovecraft and fish. My mind works that way. It's very sad.
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Couple'a thoughts.
I loved Dune, but by the end of the second novel the quality had tanked & they seemed to get progressively worse from then on. A few inspired moments, but mostly... not so much. Unfortunately I was in the navy at the time & on a ship with literally nothing better to do than read the rest of the series in my off hours. Frank rode the horse to death, and now his son is beating it.
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I missed it, is it pretty good?
Lovecraft is on my "get too ASAP" list. Any suggestions on where to start?
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Milford, Did you like the Lovecraft-meets-Holmes story, 'A Study in Emerald'?
Cod Mythology is cobbled together and made up mythology. But I was really making a very feeble joke about Lovecraft and fish. My mind works that way. It's very sad.
well i liked a study in emerald - and the
lovecraft gag story in smoke and mirrors too...
as for Dune - well i loved the first book...
and also the fact that children of dune was sorta dynasty in space:)
but Herbert had some funny ideas - genetics being the least - his other books are...
interesting morally.
His writing is quite good early on but i can't make my eyes cover a sentance of his later work.
ah well, feed me to the sandworms now - i don't really do epic!
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'The Call of Cthulhu and other Weird Tales' is a good start, though it doesn't have 'The Dunwich Horror' in that collection.
Oddly enough, the stories read as a bit hackneyed, until you realise that Lovecraft was one of the first to actually try and write scientifically based horror.
But I'll agree, trying to read 'A Shadow over Innsmouth' after you've read Gaiman's version is a little disconcerting. Especially if you keep hearing Peter Cooke's voice...
As for Herbert, I liked his McKie stuff in part. 'The Dosadi Experiment' and the other ideas he played with on social engineering were interesting.
Of course, you probably couldn't have got 'Dune' published today. A rebel leader preaching jihad against a political entity that wants to control his planet's resources?
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Of course, you probably couldn't have got 'Dune' published today. A rebel leader preaching jihad against a political entity that wants to control his planet's resources?
which is why the first book & a bit will always have a place in my affections:)
heard some interesting radio adaptations of lovecraft as well recently...
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This thread inspired me to pull down and read God Emperor of Dune for perhaps the 5th time. Each time I read this book (and heretics of dune which immediately follows), I am awed by the layers of complexity of the overall story scope.
Dune exists in a realm of the largest timeframes we can grasp. I must say that I've met several serious Dune fans in my few years. I've also met fans of other things too. The honest truth is this: I can say I have never met a serious Dune reader that had an intellect I couldn't respect. The depth of Frank's vision is staggering. To see 3 novels that take place within 50 years of each other.....then skip 3508 years into a future of the God Emperor....Then skip 4100 more years to heritics and Chapterhouse. And God Emperor is perfectly placed there in the center where Leto reminds us that to him....all times and all futures are his. He exists in all these places with his ancestrial memories and his perfect presicence of the future. Leto has offered himself up as the ultimate sacrifice to save humanity from an extinction he forsees in the future. He is the sacrifice that Paul couldn't being himself to become even though he saw the same end of humanity. I think that Sci-Fi channel did a great job with their adaptation of Children of Dune when Paul and Leto sit in the arrakis sand and discuss this subject. Simply awsome.
I greve when I think that Frank only had 1 more book to go but died suddenly. Then we get his dopy son Brian and another guy Keven Anderson who writes star wars stuff to enter the picture and F it all up. Bravo Boys. Does anyone think they even read the 1st six books at all?
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