Not Guilty?

POSTED BY: Hero
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STORYMARK

Friday, September 7, 2007 8:44 PM

Yeah... he was just checkin the stall.

Riiiiiight.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

PIRATENEWS

Sunday, September 9, 2007 7:40 AM

Damn, I have to agree with Hero.

Except Craig should be summarily executed for treason at Gitmo, for voting for amnesty for illegal aliens.

But was Craig actually traveling to or from a session of Congress? This is a common loophole for politicians. That's why Congressman Kennedy claimed he was "on his way to the capitol," when DC cops arrested him for DUI by drugs, and put him in the loony bin for 30 days.
www.chblue.com/Aug1999/081999/criminalclass4-081999.htm

Crooked legislators LOVE their diplomatic immunity, and plan their crime sprees for their roadtrips. TN state senator Carl "Coca" Koella was a crack cocaine kingpin, making all his drops when traveling to the capitol, according to eyewitness state reps in the car with him. "He knew every crack house between Alcoa and Nashville."

The cop sounded a LOT more gay than Craig, which explains why he loves working in fartgas.

Under Contract Law, and Constitutional Due Process, a guilty plea is "involuntary" if induced under threats (including promises to halt improper harassment), duress, mental coercion, fear, ignorance, incomprehension, coercion, gross misrepresentation or withholding evidence by the prosecutor.

A good defense lawyer could have negotiated a plea contract with several exceptions to revoke it, such as an appeal on a legal issue. Otherwise, it's a discretionary appeal "to correct manifest injustice". A "friendly" GOP judge would be required to accept the appeal...

A Motion to Withdraw Guilty Plea is filed with the trial judge (motion to reconsider), then can appealed up the chain.

BUT...

"Alford Pleas" are where an innocent person is routinely allowed to plead guilty, since slaves are always allowed to waiver their Constitutional rights in exchange for a slave contract. Nolo contendere ("no contest") is a type of Alford Plea, which has the advantage of not being used against a person in a 2nd civil case, such as a car crash. James Earl Ray pled guilty to shooting Dr Martin Luther King in Tennessee, after prosecution threats to jail his family, but Ray always maintained his innocence.

Quote:
"An admission of guilt is NOT required for a guilty plea."
-North Carolina vs Alford, 400 US25, 91 SCt 160 (1970)
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cgi-bin/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=400&invo
l=25

So a judge could still allow Craig to plead guilty, while claiming he was innocent.

Can you imagine working at the following company? It has a little over 500 employees with the following statistics:

29 have been accused of spousal abuse
7 have been arrested for fraud
19 have been accused of writing bad checks
117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
3 have been arrested for assault
71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting
21 are current defendants in lawsuits

In 1998 alone:

217 traffic violations
Over 100 were stopped for drunk driving
3,000 unpaid parking tickets were issued

Can you guess which organization this is? Give up? Scroll down for the answer...

It's the 535 members of your United States Congress. The same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us in line. By claiming "Constitutional immunity" our political overseers avoid criminal prosecution for all traffic crimes. These are only statistics for Washington DC, Virginia and Maryland police files, and do not reflect traffic crimes committed in other jurisdictions.

Tennessee Congressman Zack Wamp is a convicted drug dealer. Tennessee's serial-killing heart-transplanter Dr. CanniBill Frist's family butcher business Hospital Corporation of America (HCA) was criminally convicted of Medicare/Medicaid fraud and paid an $840-Million fine, and its executives sent to prison, so Frist was promoted to Speaker of the US Senate in his freshman year.
www.geocities.com/idiotboxwars

PS: This is not a joke.

MALBADINLATIN

Sunday, September 9, 2007 5:03 PM

Whether or not the man intended to try to have gay sex in a public bathroom is only scratching the surface.

It is about yet another Gay Right Wing Republican being exposed as such, and who by way of repressed self loathing or outright deception lead a career filled with hipocritical pontification on the subject of conservative family values and thier disapproval of the gay lifestyle. I'm guessing that's why not a lot of democrats are defending him in his right to be gay. And the Republicans, they're just shaking thier heads, and can't seem to get that image of him "doing it" out of thier heads.

What the law says about what he did doesn't matter one tiny little bit.

PIRATENEWS

Monday, September 10, 2007 9:50 AM

CNN reported that Craig's lawyer will file a Motion to Withdraw Plea today, and Craig is virtually not resigning.

The lawyer refused to say what his argument was, but I presume "duress". Contract Law 101.

Senator Arlen "Magic Bullet" Specter was quoted as saying, "there's no chance that Craig would have been convicted if he'd gone to trial."

www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/larrycraigmug1.html

Tom Delay mugshot:
www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/tomdelaymug1.html

Mike Niphong mugshot:
www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/mikenifongmug1.html

JONGSSTRAW

Monday, September 10, 2007 11:43 AM

How can any man not be just totally turned on at the sight & sounds of another man taking a dump? I certainly want my Congressmen having gay sex in restrooms. America is a Gay Country now..."My Country tis of thee, sweet land of homosexuality, of thee I thing."

HERO

Monday, September 10, 2007 3:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by MalBadInLatin:
and who by way of repressed self loathing or outright deception lead a career filled with hipocritical pontification on the subject of conservative family values and thier disapproval of the gay lifestyle.

I note for the record that a fair number of gay folk seem to espouse family values (just not the ones involving same-sex couples). They want stable homes for their good children and all that comes with it. Good for them. It is also possible to be gay and not support some or all of the gay agenda. Log Cabin Republicans are a good example of politically conservative gay Republicans.

And I note for the record that Senator Craig maintains he's not gay. He could be heterosexual or bi-sexual...at his age I think he ought to be allowed to be whatever he can be and good for him. And while some argue whether sexuality is a choice, certainly the decision to 'come out' is a matter of privacy that ought to be respected if not protected.

H

RIGHTEOUS9

Monday, September 10, 2007 8:37 PM

Um...Craig weighed in on the Private life of Bill and Hillary.

He said bill was not just a "bad boy" but a "nasty bad boy"...maybe he thought somebody needed to give him a spanking

He's forfeited his right to hide behind his own right to privacy, in my opinion. That's the price of being a public figure, specifically the kind of asshole who wants to attack others for their private problems.

MALBADINLATIN

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:21 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
It is also possible to be gay and not support some or all of the gay agenda. Log Cabin Republicans are a good example of politically conservative gay Republicans.

what I can't get off of http://online.logcabin.org is how many members they have. I suspect that they'd be lucky to have a 5% share of the gay market, most likely not representative, but I got no evidence. Also, what parts of the "gay agenda" do you feel the Log Cabin boys have left out. Cuz I don't even know what the gay agenda is

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero: And I note for the record that Senator Craig maintains he's not gay. He could be heterosexual or bi-sexual...at his age I think he ought to be allowed to be whatever he can be and good for him. And while some argue whether sexuality is a choice, certainly the decision to 'come out' is a matter of privacy that ought to be respected if not protected.

I do too, but the media will never have that kind of respect for either side of the political fence, the American people through focus groups are shown to really get off on that kind of suffering stuff. Sick part of it is we do, sub consciously or otherwise.

PIRATENEWS

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 4:08 AM

Hero, note that Craig did NOT plead guilty in front of a judge, so no judge was able to ask him verbally if he was under duress, as required for all guilty pleas. There was never a defense lawyer or judge involved in this case at any time, only a gay cop, and an unseen prosecutor. Craig mailed his fine to a court clerk, just like a traffic ticket. He left the airport on his scheduled flight, and never went to a jail.

This also means that 100s of millions of traffic fines are also invalid, for pleading guilty by mail. Class actions are now filed in such cases:
www.startribune.com/462/story/1414227.html

Quote:

Craig Asks Court to Let Him Withdraw His Plea of Guilty
www.nytimes.com/2007/09/11/washington/11craig.html?ref=us

Quote:
Senator Craig and his attorneys cite investigative reporting by the Idaho Statesman newspaper as one of the reasons to justify the withdrawal of his guilty plea.

His legal team argues that Craig “was panicked” that his “arrest stemming from an undercover operation targeting gay men in the public men’s restroom at the” Minnesota airport…would be made public and that they would provide the Idaho Statesman with an excuse to publish” an article alleging that Craig engaged in homosexual conduct.

Craig and his attorneys both allege that his June 11, 2007 Minnesota arrest came "shortly after” his May 14, 2007 interview with the Statesman.

Motion to Withdraw Plea (Minn. v. Craig)
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/craigmn91007mot.html

Guilty Plea (Minn. v. Craig)
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/larry-craig-guilty-plea-agre
ement.html

Criminal Complaint (Minn. v. Craig)
http://news.findlaw.com/nytimes/docs/crim/mn-larry-craig-70207cmp.html

The media had Craig under a full-court press, and he cracked under pressure. But why did the Idaho newspaper attack him? For his treasonous open-border votes, making all other issues fair game in love and war?

Or was Craig attacked by the homosexual pedophiles in the Jr Bush White House, because the blackmail wasn't working good enough?

Quote:

"I don't trust government. And neither should our citizens."
—US Senator Larry "Manho" Craig, United States Senate (R-Idaho), Committee on the Judiciary, "DOJ Oversight: Terrorism and Other Topics", testimony by US Attorney General John Ashcroft re President George Bush Jr.'s Executive Orders to "legalize torture" of US citizens and refusal to release that memo (felony Contempt of Congress), C-SPAN2, June 8, 2004
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=1212

But if this guy is innocent of the "crime of being gay and not having sex", then he is guilty of being a spineless idiot to plead guilty to a crime he did not commit, just like 100-million other spineless idiots every year in US traffic slave courts.

This is why every red-blooded US citizen MUST fight every traffic ticket, just to learn how to survive in a REAL court case, in the current USSA Police State.

HERO

Tuesday, September 11, 2007 1:53 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Righteous9:
He's forfeited his right to hide behind his own right to privacy, in my opinion.

I disagree. There are limitations to a right to privacy. It is generally accepted that a right to privacy exists when there is a reasonable expectation of privacy.

By making the Clinton analogy you are comparing apples to oranges. By no measure did Senator Craig commit a crime (if for no other reason then the Constitution bars any arrest in this sort of case) and what he did was in an aiport restroom where he has a reasonable expectation of privacy.

President Clinton, on the other hand, committed several ethical and possibly criminal actions. At the time he had the affair with Monica adultery was a crime in Washington DC, I note it is not enforced and is considered a blue law. He lied under oath, which is contempt of court at best (for which he was punished) and obstruction of justice at worst (although that's a stretch). He also engaged in a conspiracy with his secretary to tamper and conceal evidence (when he asked her to get his 'gifts' to Monica back). Ethically the Federal govt had enacted strict workplace sexual harrassment laws in the early 1990s that Clinton violated by taking advatage of a subordinate. He also went on national television and said he "did not have sex with that woman."

Without comment on the right or wrong of the impeachment, Clinton's very public ethical and criminal violations that took place on government property and in almost every way made improper use of govt. resources invite public scrutiny, especially given the distraction that helped lead us into 9/11, which we rightfully mourn today.

H

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