Which are the Buffy/Angel crossover episodes ?

POSTED BY: Bomba
UPDATED: Friday, May 21, 2004 08:14
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BOMBA

Sunday, April 4, 2004 7:54 AM

Could someone tell me the titles of the crossover episodes in Buffy season 7 and Angel season 4 ?

Thanks
Fred

RHUTTNER

Sunday, April 4, 2004 8:56 AM

The titles and order are:

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
4-15 Orpheus
7-18 Dirty Girls

4-22 Home
7-21 End of Days
7-22 Chosen

These are only the episodes that relate to Buffy and Angel characters being on each others show.

Both shows had arcs where episodes were continued. In the case of Angel they were usually cliffhanger episodes. For Example, 4-13 begins right after 4-12 and should be watched first.
Because of this I'm not sure how to recommend watching the episodes for both shows prior to the crossovers. Buffy episodes were not always continued this way, until the last 5-6.

Without fully reviewing all the episodes my off the top of my head recommendation would be:

701-716
401-414
717
415-422
718-720

This will allow Angel's stronger contunity to flow and the cross overs to make sense.

Hope this helps.

BOMBA

Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:17 AM

Great, thanks for the help Rhuttner !
I've only just started watching Angel Season 4, I'm up to 4.9 Long Day's Journey. I'd heard there would be crossover episodes so I thought I'd stop until my Buffy Season 7 set arrives from the UK (due for release April 5th).

INVISIBLEGREEN

Sunday, April 4, 2004 9:28 AM

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Originally posted by Bomba:
Great, thanks for the help Rhuttner !
I've only just started watching Angel Season 4, I'm up to 4.9 Long Day's Journey. I'd heard there would be crossover episodes so I thought I'd stop until my Buffy Season 7 set arrives from the UK (due for release April 5th).

You can watch Angel season four through episode 12 before watching season 7 of Buffy. Ep. 13 of Angel has a lot of Buffy references and implications, so it would help to see the first 11 episodes of Buffy season 7 (don't go past ep. 16).

You want to watch Buffy ep. 17 between Angel eps. 14 and 15.

Then it doesn't matter until in the end of the seasons. You should watch Angel 22 before Buffy 21&22.

Here is the original airing order (excluding "Lies My Parents Told Me," which was aired out of chronological order, but is put back in for this list, and is therefore denoted with an asterisk.):

ANGEL - SEASON FOUR / BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER - SEASON SEVEN
123. Lessons
124. Beneath You
A67. Deep Down
125. Same Time, Same Place
A68. Ground State
126. Help
A69. The House Always Wins
127. Selfless
A70. Slouching Toward Bethlehem
A71. Supersymmetry
128. Him
A72. Spin the Bottle
129. Conversations With Dead People
A73. Apocalypse, Nowish
130. Sleeper
131. Never Leave Me
132. Bring on the Night
133. Showtime
A74. Habeas Corpses
134. Potential
A75. Long Day's Journey
A76. Awakening
135. The Killer in Me
A77. Soulless
136. First Date
A18. Calvary
137. Get It Done
138. Storyteller
A79. Salvage
A80. Release
*139. Lies My Parents Told Me
A81. Orpheus
A82. Players
A83. Inside Out
A84. Shiny, Happy People
139. Dirty Girls
A85. The Magic Bullet
A86. Sacrifice
141. Empty Places
A87. Peace Out
142. Touched
A88. Home
143. End of Days
144. Chosen

RHUTTNER

Sunday, April 4, 2004 10:42 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Bomba:
Great, thanks for the help Rhuttner !
I've only just started watching Angel Season 4, I'm up to 4.9 Long Day's Journey. I'd heard there would be crossover episodes so I thought I'd stop until my Buffy Season 7 set arrives from the UK (due for release April 5th).

I don't remember the ending for 4.9, but 4.10 sets up the beginning of the arc that runs straight through the crossovers. I would actually stop Angel with 4.9, then watch Buffy 7.1-7.16 then continue with Angel and follow the list I suggested.

RHUTTNER

Sunday, April 4, 2004 11:01 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
The titles and order are:

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
4-15 Orpheus
7-18 Dirty Girls

Bomba,

Although this is the correct chronlogical order, I would like to suggest an alternative. The thread that 717 has between the Angel episodes is very very minor and actually is a spoiler for something that happens in 415. If you watch 415 before 717 there will be a WOAH moment that will be lost if you watch it in the right order.

However, 718 is a direct continuation of 415. So watching 415, 717, 718 will be a little confusing.

UPN was supposed to air 717 before The WB aired 415 but for whatever reason they didn't. This meant that the minor setup in 717 was not known. As a result, the WB's promo for 415 ruined what would have been a surprise otherwise. When you see the episode you will know what I'm talking about and see that from the Angel episode's POV, it was designed to be a big moment.

My suggestion would be this-if you have no knowledge of the details of the crossovers, then forget my original order and watch it as aired:

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
4-15 Orpheus
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
7-18 Dirty Girls

But keep in mind when you watch 717 that it takes place prior to the Angel episode you just watched.

If you are aware of what happens, then watch it in the order I first gave.

After you are done watching, post what you decided and let me know which way you would have preferred.

Have fun

BOMBA

Friday, May 21, 2004 8:14 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
Quote:
Originally posted by rhuttner:
The titles and order are:

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
4-15 Orpheus
7-18 Dirty Girls

Bomba,

Although this is the correct chronlogical order, I would like to suggest an alternative. The thread that 717 has between the Angel episodes is very very minor and actually is a spoiler for something that happens in 415. If you watch 415 before 717 there will be a WOAH moment that will be lost if you watch it in the right order.

However, 718 is a direct continuation of 415. So watching 415, 717, 718 will be a little confusing.

UPN was supposed to air 717 before The WB aired 415 but for whatever reason they didn't. This meant that the minor setup in 717 was not known. As a result, the WB's promo for 415 ruined what would have been a surprise otherwise. When you see the episode you will know what I'm talking about and see that from the Angel episode's POV, it was designed to be a big moment.

My suggestion would be this-if you have no knowledge of the details of the crossovers, then forget my original order and watch it as aired:

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
4-15 Orpheus
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
7-18 Dirty Girls

But keep in mind when you watch 717 that it takes place prior to the Angel episode you just watched.

If you are aware of what happens, then watch it in the order I first gave.

After you are done watching, post what you decided and let me know which way you would have preferred.

Have fun

Hi Rhuttner

Finally finished Buffy on the weekend.
What a great season ! And loved the ending too.
At least it left Buffyverse wide open for a spin off or some form of continuation.
Cant understand why many people locally (here in Australia) thought it was cr*p finish.

Decided to watch it in this order.

4-13 Salvage
4-14 Release
4-15 Orpheus
7-17 Lies My Parents Told Me
7-18 Dirty Girls

I expected Buffy to turn up, not Willow in 4-15.
Was just a bit of a minor surprise as I already knew it was a crossover. I think I prefer the order I watched it in.

Looking forward to Angel Season 5 on DVD. Hopefully the'll bring that out earlier.

Fred