Rayne Lovers and Haters
POSTED BY: crystalkei
UPDATED: Sunday, June 14, 2009 16:41
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Leiasky said...
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They just write their favorite pairing without any thought as to whether it would be believable or not. Nothing wrong with it. Some people will like it regardless and not care.
This interested me as it struck a cord with my first experience of reading Rayne. It was a PWP and I came close to running away screaming. To come across that out of nowhere when I was new to the whole fanfic experience and fairly new to the whole fandom thing at all was pretty startling. (I've been with Firefly from the first airing in the UK, but this is the first fandom that I've been involved in and it took me a while to get here). Anyway, it was a good while before I had another go at a Rayne fic, which had all the slow development and then, I started to see it as possible and to enjoy it.
Then I noticed a change, I can deal quite happily with the fic's that jump straight in. My head's up to speed, I see it as possible and now I don't need the fic equivalent of dinner and a movie to enjoy it (I'm not talking specifically about PWP here, I'm talking about Rayne in general). I think that someone who writes Rayne (BTW I do, just not here) perhaps particularly in the Rayneshippers community doesn't feel the need to explain it all in detail every time because they know that the audience is with them.
As Romanceguru said...
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While it’s fulfilling to hook new readers, I’m not going to stress about making everyone happy. It’s impossible. There are those that already enjoy Rayne and “see it”. I write for those people.
*waves at Romanceguru* It's JD, I'm here icognito.
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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I do see a basis for an understanding and friendship between these two. River's not going to bond so well with someone "normal," and she doesn't have many options as far as people to hang out with. Jayne's got a simplicity that I think she'd enjoy messing with, and he could eventually see her as an annoying little sister. Maybe like messing back. (No - not THAT kind of messing!)
And... this will be unpopular with some... but can I say that I'm a bit squicked by any fic that has a BDM panting over her? The River pairings I've seen seem to start with Mal or Jayne suddenly watching her little body and how she moves and getting all hot and bothered. It makes me want to call that MSNBC guy to come and catch the predator LOL! I mean, a grown man being attracted to a mentally disturbed girl? Freaks me out! Can't it start with a connection between their personalities and minds and slowly - very slowly - progress from there? Please?
B]
Jayne and River with a kind of bratty sibling relationship works for me. Everything else frightens me horribly. Seriously, I don't think those two characters fit together romantically. My view:
Jayne: Sick ain't sexy, an' I don't chase children.
River: So not my type. (Pulls face) Not housebroken. No romance in his simple soul.
No, I have my own ideas who River considers a suitable target for romantic longing Yes, it might well freak a few folk out.
Mind you, it's probably going to freak out the BDH even more...
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I don't see it that hard to imagine. I mean if you had to listen to the various thoughts of the crew all day hanging around with Jayne would be relaxing. He would probably like her because she can actually beat him up and that sets her apart from most girls i'd conjure.
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To Spaceanjl
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No, I have my own ideas who River considers a suitable target for romantic longing Yes, it might well freak a few folk out.
I could stand to hear more on the subject
It's been a while since the last Jayne/Largi outing and I for am looking forward to seeing what happens River/Mal wise.
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Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
No, I have my own ideas who River considers a suitable target for romantic longing Yes, it might well freak a few folk out.
Mind you, it's probably going to freak out the BDH even more... :evil
Simon?
I remember an interview with Summer where she mentions it'll be nice to play someone who isn't in love with her brother.
"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."
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I remember an interview with Summer where she mentions it'll be nice to play someone who isn't in love with her brother.
Eww. I hope she wasn't serious. At least Sean Maher was disgusted by the thought of River/Simon fanfics.
Although, why is it that most people believe that in love must mean lust? I am just as much 'in love' with my siblings as River and Simon are, and frankly find the incest comments as almost insulting to our relationship...as if any strong relationship must be sexual. Lust is such a simple explanation, and it cheapens the magnificent performances of Sean Maher and Summer Glau IMHO. Yes, they are in love with each other, but it is not sexual love, and that is important to note: they love each other not because they are attracted to each other, but because they have chosen to care for and protect unconditionally this person in their life.
It is easy to care for someone you are attracted physically to, and what makes Simon and River's relationship so powerful is that those thoughts aren't even there; they have a love as powerful as any of the great romances in the world without the cheapening explanation of sexuality.
Tamcest is to me like most slash relationships; people see a great friendship, and want to turn it into romance, when it was so much more interesting and likely as a great friendship. Those can exist without lust, I know for a fact. Can we not be in love with a relationship without sexual tones? Just because English has only one word for love does not mean that there is only one kind, and it is nice to see more variety in Firefly at least, if not exactly in fanfiction.
I think about Rayne the same way. It seems like a lot of fans want romantic relationships, but these are the easiest route. It is much more realistic (and also much more difficult for writers) to write the other forms of love: friendship, familial love, selfless love. Now, I'm not entirely against Rayne, if proper time is taken to show me how they could get together, but any interesting chemistry they had in the show/movie was due to the fact that it wasn't just the beginnings of lust. They had a complex relationship, and simplifying that to suddenly being attracted to each other is tragic IMHO. I see them having a "rapport" of professional friendship and teasing long before any romantic thoughts.
As a final note, I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
~Merry
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Originally posted by Leiasky:Quote:
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
No, I have my own ideas who River considers a suitable target for romantic longing Yes, it might well freak a few folk out.
Mind you, it's probably going to freak out the BDH even more... :evil
Simon?
I remember an interview with Summer where she mentions it'll be nice to play someone who isn't in love with her brother.
B]
That's a 'no'. I know you aren't a fan of my work, but please, credit me with a little decency.
C'mon. Tall, dark, handsome war hero, with a wounded soul that he hides behind kind eyes?
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Quote:Huh... I thought you were going to say River/Kaylee LOL! You brought it up like it was something bizarre, but River/Mal is hardly novel these days. Seems like it's all over!
Originally posted by SpaceAnJL:
C'mon. Tall, dark, handsome war hero, with a wounded soul that he hides behind kind eyes?
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I don't see how Mal could even be considered a match for River- Considering the fact that he has the hots for Inara. I mean the Jayne/River story line is clearly speculation- but Mal/River..nah don't see it
On the other hand i want to barf when i think about Simon/River.
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I agree! I could be president of a non-Mal/River club LOL!
However, I note that Spaceanjl said "River longing for..." above, and not so much an actual pairing. I very much can see River with a crush on the captain (In fact, I'm writing it LOL!) but I think it'd be a childish and naive thing - certainly not returned!
(Edit: don't hate me Mal/River writers... I'm not trying to stop you...)
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