Rayne Lovers and Haters
POSTED BY: crystalkei
UPDATED: Sunday, June 14, 2009 16:41
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yeah, i just watched the CE commentary and there is a whole bit about adam pitching to joss about hookin' up with inara...so funny! i mean, that would have just been hilariously weird.
Jayne Cobb, the Dick Casablancas of Firefly
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I can see the part of River that is freaked out about it, but I can also see her embracing who she is now. How else is she going to cope?
There’s a morbidity to her that some people forget, and for better or worse, I think it’s going to remained ingrained in her personality. River is not going to return to the sweet girl she was pre-academy. While she might not enjoy violence per say, I think she will use her abilities in the future and not bat an eye. She’s smart enough to know how the ‘verse works, and will adjust accordingly.
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What we need's a diversion. I say Zoe gets nekkid.
As I said before, I think that in time she can learn to deal with the bad and the ugly, but I don't think she is ever likely to enjoy it. She has a morbid streak, no denying, but she hasn't lost her humanity. And, if anything. I think she will only get more of it back with time. So assuming she decides to stay with the crew, she would make a damn fine pilot, and I can see her defending the ship on occasion. But helping out on jobs, assaulting alliance installations, torturing people for information or whatever... Nah, leave that to Jayne. And Zoe. And Mal. And [insert OC name here].
So yeah I don't think she can ever take death and pain lightly. Sure, she can wield 'em with style, but that's not her world. Thats one of the reason I can't see her ever hooking up with Jayne, and that's also why I can't see her becoming the remorse-less buttock-saving killing machine she depicted as in so many fics. Realy I just read that as the easy(read: lazy) way to write action/fight scenes, think "Then River comes in and kill's them all. End." Coping with the past is good. Becoming a stone-cold super ninja is something entirely else.
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But I just never have been able to get into any River pairing.
That’s understandable. We all have our mental blocks, mine is Jaylee (too saccharine for my tastes). To each his or her own, right? I appreciate that you’re a full supporter of artistic freedom! : )
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And please continue! These threads are all about getting from 9 to 5 LOL!
Oh, I will. I enjoy it too much not to. ; )
It’s just the people that expect you to convince them (when really, these are the same people that will never be convinced of it, perhaps even if Joss decided to go there) that irk me.
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I so agree! I think she's a little crucible of stuff that's gonna meld and come out as something completely new someday. And be really really cool.
Damn, I was this show hadn't been cancelled LOL!
Yes, too bad! That’s why I find River the most intriguing to write, because there’s just so much to explore! I love that girl. I feel no guilt in shipping her, but believe you me, I can understand the other side of it. : )
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Adam still feels that way? *cries* Thank god Joss is in charge!
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As I said before, I think that in time she can learn to deal with the bad and the ugly, but I don't think she is ever likely to enjoy it. She has a morbid streak, no denying, but she hasn't lost her humanity. And, if anything. I think she will only get more of it back with time. So assuming she decides to stay with the crew, she would make a damn fine pilot, and I can see her defending the ship on occasion. But helping out on jobs, assaulting alliance installations, torturing people for information or whatever... Nah, leave that to Jayne. And Zoe. And Mal. And [insert OC name here].
So yeah I don't think she can ever take death and pain lightly. Sure, she can wield 'em with style, but that's not her world. Thats one of the reason I can't see her ever hooking up with Jayne, and that's also why I can't see her becoming the remorse-less buttock-saving killing machine she depicted as in so many fics. Realy I just read that as the easy(read: lazy) way to write action/fight scenes, think "Then River comes in and kill's them all. End." Coping with the past is good. Becoming a stone-cold super ninja is something entirely else.
I agree that there has to be a balance between new and old River, her humanity and the weapon inside of her.
But I disagree that her conscious is pure. She seen things, horrible things and for better or worse she’s affected. There’s an indifference to her and a wall that she can summon, that I think would allow her to make the choice to help the crew.
Yes, she will never enjoy it, but she doesn’t need to. She’s embedded with that switch. And thank god, because the full reality of it would be overwhelming.
I don’t think Mal or Zoe particularly enjoys killing either, but they do it nonetheless. I’m also not so certain Jayne’s a hundred percent with the idea either. Sure he enjoys a good fight, but it’s not like he’s in his bunk dreaming up the next time he can blow someone’s head off. This is the life they lead. Adaptation my dear friend.
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let's go back to buffy for a moment...buffy never wanted to be the slayer, she didn't particularly enjoy slaying like say, faith did. But, she did it, it was her job. yada yada. i think river can take the step to know that it's part of who she is, and it's necessary sometimes to use that yucky part of her to help her family out. she doesn't have to enjoy killing to want to be part of a job. not all the jobs involve killin' and when they do, it's not like they plan that part. how you plan and what is gonna happen ain't exactly that similar. ;D
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let's go back to buffy for a moment...buffy never wanted to be the slayer, she didn't particularly enjoy slaying like say, faith did. But, she did it, it was her job. yada yada. i think river can take the step to know that it's part of who she is, and it's necessary sometimes to use that yucky part of her to help her family out. she doesn't have to enjoy killing to want to be part of a job. not all the jobs involve killin' and when they do, it's not like they plan that part. how you plan and what is gonna happen ain't exactly that similar. ;D
Jayne Cobb, the Dick Casablancas of Firefly
But isn't she the anti-Buffy? In other words she does not have to kill anything (Simon tried to take her away from that world.), and there is no such thing as "Vampires and demons that need to be destroyed" in the firefly 'Verse.
(I will try and not comment on Rayne as I will probably offend many people in doing so.)
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she doesn't have to kill anything, and like i said, she doesn't want to, but it doesn't seem hugely out of character for her to go out on jobs. she went pretty willingly in the BDM... and well, i am pretty hard to offend, go ahead and post your rayne views. ;D I like to hear the opinions, its fun!
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I agree that there has to be a balance between new and old River, her humanity and the weapon inside of her.
Yes!
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But I disagree that her conscious is pure. She seen things, horrible things and for better or worse she’s affected. There’s an indifference to her and a wall that she can summon, that I think would allow her to make the choice to help the crew. Yes, she will never enjoy it, but she doesn’t need to. She’s embedded with that switch. And thank god, because the full reality of it would be overwhelming.
That she is, but I don't believe she can clear a room of it's people content and sleep particularly well the next night, y' know? Still, that can be tended to. Conscience is a fluid thing, even more so for borderline schizophrenic people.
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I don’t think Mal or Zoe particularly enjoys killing either, but they do it nonetheless. I’m also not so certain Jayne’s a hundred percent with the idea either. Sure he enjoys a good fight, but it’s not like he’s in his bunk dreaming up the next time he can blow someone’s head off. This is the life they lead. Adaptation my dear friend.
All in all, it realy comes down to the life she chooses for herself. Now, on account of some terrible business decisions I absolutely refuse to elaborate on, we will never know for certain what path she would have set herself on. That's a shame
. Still, here's my humble opinion : Given her state of emotional vulnerability, "adapting" to a life of killing could be quite the tiresome process, and not one that would necessarily be worth the trouble in the long run. Take it or leave it 
I see that we are thinking along the same lines or near enough
'Guess we just disagree on a particular point or two.Sorry for going repetedly off topic, too
TAM: Nickname for Scottish/Gaelic Tomas, meaning, "twin"
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River characterization is hard to pinpoint. We all see slightly different variances. And that’s fine, no one opinion is the right one. Unless it’s Joss’s. : )
It is interesting to hear every one’s different take, though.
Yeah, back on topic… What was it again? ;-p
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