Rayne Lovers and Haters

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TINADOLL

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:54 PM

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On the other hand the potential phsicallity of Rayne makes it all the more interesting

(lol see how i got back on topic there)

Yes, I can see it. But - not immediately and it would take a LOT of time and character growth on both sides. If Joss went that way, I think it would have taken years. Taking time is something most fic writers don't do. They just write their favorite pairing without any thought as to whether it would be believable or not. Nothing wrong with it. Some people will like it regardless and not care.

But it's important to me as a reader (and as a writer), though not everyone is so picky:)

Tamsinling wrote a long story that had the rayne pairing develop over time. The name of it escapes me at the moment. She does list pairings on her stories so I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to find.

I like Taminsling as well. However long stories are not geranlly good ones. I have read stories 15 chapters long that are much better then 50. Sometimes its just too much. For Rayne,hoewever, its nessisary. I don't think River ,when the canon ended with BDM, was ready for anything. Girls been through alot. She gotta learn the basics.

I wish more fics dealt less pairings or off canon characters (Guilty as charged) and more with individual characters. Well done Rayne(or Jaylee) is my fav as well as Wash/Zoe and Mal/Inara. But there is a lot of crap floating out there. And i haven't bothered reading new fics in awhile.

LEIASKY

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:57 PM

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But there is a lot of crap floating out there.

Truer words were never spoken. Sooooo much crap! Though, I blame Mal4Prez for making me sooooo picky in the last 6 months. LOL!

Not that I wasn't before, but, its worse now. LOL!

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I like Taminsling as well. However long stories are not geranlly good ones.

I mostly agree. Long chapter stories, especially if they take a long time to complete, are very hard to follow - and I usually just give up and don't bother.

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SINGATE

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 4:52 PM

I'm not a big reader of fanfic but I do believe this relationship to be completely plausible. I don't base this on anything that happened between them on screen. There is very little even hinted at in the series other than Jayne's comment about her "not all being there, but then again not all of her has to be". The one thing during the series that leads me to the pairing didn't involve either Jayne or River. The comment by Simon that Kaylee is literally the only girl for him would also be true for River with regards to Jayne. The only other option would be Mal and that's never going to happen.

Post BDM her mind seems to be clear enough that she could engage in a romantic relationship, and let's face it, her hormones will be kicking in as well.

I don't suggest that Jayne would jump at the opportunity. In fact, I think River would be the one to broach the idea. As much as Jayne is ruled by his libido he isn't a complete idiot. He knows the rest of the crew would be very protective of River and doesn't want to catch any more heat than he does for his other activities.

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MOBBEX

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 5:52 PM

Don't make faces

Here's how I see it.

Or how I DON'T see it, actually... Hell, where did this even come from? I mean, as it's been said, there realy is no canon base for it. Why would they ever be interested in each other?

Because they are both "living weapons"? Thats niou-se. Jayne may enjoy that side of himself but River surely doesn't. Her inability to deal with violence or highly aggressive emotions has been detailed on more that a few occasions. Then again, she also has wrecked quite a lot of havoc herself on a few occasion, but she did so out of A) behavior conditionning B) the need to protect her brother/crew. River isn't a violent creature. Violence freaks her out. As for Jayne, well, he personifies violence, he enjoys it. There more to him than that, granted, but not much.

So, they both have "childish" episodes? Well, as I see it, Jayne's underdevelopped psyche is the result of his primal upbringing and his "me against the world" lifestyle. He never needed to develop his human side, so he never bothered to. On the other hand, River's bouts of infantile behavior result from needles (and a great variety of oher sharp objects) being thrust through her brainpan. No to mention the fact that she is a traumatized 17 years old girl with basically no life experience. These behavior patterns might be similar at first glance, but they come from two totaly different places. Jayne embraces it ; River is trying to grow out of it. And I like to believe that she is succeeding, I'm a hopeful sort

But what do they feel for each other? First of all, lets face it : Jayne hates her guts. He never hid the fact that he didnt want her on the ship. He tried to sell her out! Twice! Thrice? He's always viewed her as a threat. 'Turns out he was right, too. As for River, I think it's fair to say that she has very little consideration for him. Obviously she is aware of his latent hostility, and it's just as obvious that it doesn't unsettles her the least bit.

Bottom line: There will always be a huge gap between them. I think they could get along eventually, on a professionnal level, but romance? Not in a million years!

(Point of interest: I left out the age difference thing deliberately, because I realy think it's totaly irrelevant.)

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:14 PM

I do see a basis for an understanding and friendship between these two. River's not going to bond so well with someone "normal," and she doesn't have many options as far as people to hang out with. Jayne's got a simplicity that I think she'd enjoy messing with, and he could eventually see her as an annoying little sister. Maybe like messing back. (No - not THAT kind of messing!)

If the series had gotten all it's 7 seasons, maybe something more could have happened. In like - season 6 or 7, after River had settled down quite a bit and gotten some life experience.

Problem is, so much Rayne-fic has them just jumping right into bed, and that can only be accomplished by making them both so out of character that I lose interest. That said, I've never left a comment flaming anyone for writing Rayne. They can write all they want, but I've given up on reading it. I never make it far.

And... this will be unpopular with some... but can I say that I'm a bit squicked by any fic that has a BDM panting over her? The River pairings I've seen seem to start with Mal or Jayne suddenly watching her little body and how she moves and getting all hot and bothered. It makes me want to call that MSNBC guy to come and catch the predator LOL! I mean, a grown man being attracted to a mentally disturbed girl? Freaks me out! Can't it start with a connection between their personalities and minds and slowly - very slowly - progress from there? Please?

(And - thanks for the defense of Mal/Inara Leaisky, and the nice words Tinadoll!)

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ROMANCEGURU

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:59 PM

I get what you’re saying. If I stopped long enough to pull my head out of the clouds, and think in canon terms, I agree that the relationship would have been a very slow build.

There’s a huge debate over whether Joss would of gone there eventually, I say yes. The pairing is twisted, fun, sexy, and humorous. I also think it helps that the actors themselves had loads of OS chemistry. Perhaps it’s just that, that makes Rayne lovers interpret certain canon moments as something more?

Yes, Jayne disliked River during canon, but after Miranda, I think he finally gained insight, saw the bigger picture. It goes with the whole Jayne dislikes what he can’t understand theory.

Fic wise, I’m too impatient to write a six season story arc. I find abrupt and out of left corner Rayne just as amusing. That’s my purgative. First and foremost, I write for me (as most writers do). It’s an outlet and it’s supposed to be fun. Remember fun?

While it’s fulfilling to hook new readers, I’m not going to stress about making everyone happy. It’s impossible. There are those that already enjoy Rayne and “see it”. I write for those people.

“River isn't a violent creature. Violence freaks her out. As for Jayne, well, he personifies violence, he enjoys it. There more to him than that, granted, but not much.”

I can see the part of River that is freaked out about it, but I can also see her embracing who she is now. How else is she going to cope?

There’s a morbidity to her that some people forget, and for better or worse, I think it’s going to remained ingrained in her personality. River is not going to return to the sweet girl she was pre-academy. While she might not enjoy violence per say, I think she will use her abilities in the future and not bat an eye. She’s smart enough to know how the ‘verse works, and will adjust accordingly.

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CRYSTALKEI

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:11 PM

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“River isn't a violent creature. Violence freaks her out. As for Jayne, well, he personifies violence, he enjoys it. There more to him than that, granted, but not much.”

I can see the part of River that is freaked out about it, but I can also see her embracing who she is now. How else is she going to cope?

There’s a morbidity to her that some people forget, and for better or worse, I think it’s going to remained ingrained in her personality. River is not going to return to the sweet girl she was pre-academy. While she might not enjoy violence per say, I think she will use her abilities in the future and not bat an eye. She’s smart enough to know how the ‘verse works, and will adjust accordingly.
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so true! she is a completely different person than the kid that went off to the academy, she's making her place in the world with who she is NOW, not before.

Jayne Cobb, the Dick Casablancas of Firefly

TINADOLL

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:18 PM

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It makes me want to call that MSNBC guy to come and catch the predator LOL!

That just made me spit coffee! (waves@ Mal4prez)

There are some great points in this thread (yah thread)(for the River/Jayne pairing anyway) I am sure that Adam Baldwin would think differently- he thinks Inara and Jayne would have made a cute couple... Oh the horror...

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:23 PM

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Originally posted by Romanceguru:
Fic wise, I’m too impatient to write a six season story arc. I find abrupt and out of left corner Rayne just as amusing. That’s my purgative. First and foremost, I write for me (as most writers do). It’s an outlet and it’s supposed to be fun. Remember fun?

I'm all good with fun! Really, I don't hate this pairing, I just never have been able to enjoy it. And it's not even a canon thing - I've encounted Mal/Simon and Mal/Jayne that I found entertaining, although that's waaaay outside canon. But I just never have been able to get into any River pairing.

I guess that's kind of weird... slash before River romance. There's no accounting for taste!

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While it’s fulfilling to hook new readers, I’m not going to stress about making everyone happy. It’s impossible. There are those that already enjoy Rayne and “see it”. I write for those people.

And please continue! These threads are all about getting from 9 to 5 LOL!

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There’s a morbidity to her that some people forget, and for better or worse, I think it’s going to remained ingrained in her personality.

I so agree! I think she's a little crucible of stuff that's gonna meld and come out as something completely new someday. And be really really cool.

Damn, I was this show hadn't been cancelled LOL!

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MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:41 PM

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Originally posted by Tinadoll:
That just made me spit coffee! (waves@ Mal4prez)

*waves* Mission accomplished LOL!

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There are some great points in this thread (yah thread)(for the River/Jayne pairing anyway) I am sure that Adam Baldwin would think differently- he thinks Inara and Jayne would have made a cute couple... Oh the horror...

hunh.

That's one you don't see often. Can't even picture it. (Not trying too hard...)

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