To save America, we need another 9/11
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Quote:often guilty as charged, Jenny.
Originally posted by piratejenny:
I think you're all a bunch of dumbasses
Quote:Absolutely correct.
its the actions not the politics that should matter.
AU has a point concerning the elite left and their superiority complex and political shenanigans; both sides play their games.
Thanks for the reality-check.
Dumbass Chrisisall
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Auraptor, I figured it was Mr. Tamm that you were referring to. But... what does he have to do with getting FISA warrants? The DOJ (Tamm) and the FISC (warrants) aren't even in the same Branch of government! That's like saying I can't tell Sally because Jesse might tell
Apparently you can't tell the difference. And you're saying Bush can't either. What you're saying that Bush is so paranoid that he can't work with a small group of FISA judges and lawyers who have security clearance because they MIGHT tell somebody something some day even tho there is no evidence that might happen! And he can't work with the CIA or the FBI or the DOJ. And he won't testify before Congress (unless he's holding Dick's hand and it's not under oath) and claims Executive privilege on everything. Can't tell anyone, can't trust anyone... This goes way way beyond reasonable caution into pretty paranoid-sounding stuff.
You know it almost sounds like he has something to HIDE, doesn' it? But he wouldn't have anything to HIDE, would he?
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Quote:How? Because I know these things can't be inacted at the drop of a hat. The 'wireless wiretap' has to be with one end of the line outside the country, and with a known terrorist subject. The removal of the Gorelick wall , which kept different agencies from communicating with each other on info they had on terrorsts. Stuff like that is how.
Originally posted by leadb:
Well folks, my head hurts. It's that spot that keeps tapping the wall during certain discussions.
Rap: I don't know how you can look at the patriot act, the drop of need for judicial oversight for wire taps, and any other number of items put in place in the last six years and not even express the least understanding of why folks feel their freedoms are being curtailed.
Quote:I don't mind the pushin', if you're talking about voting for folks you think will change what you think needs changing. But its the unrelenting vitriol and vilification of those who don't see the P.A. being a problem ( yet ) that I'm fed up with.
Ok, we don't agree. I just hope you'll understand that at some point, those folks who feel their freedoms are being curtailed will push back, and may push back so much harder than you anticipate.
Quote:It depends on the party. I'll agree, that the current batch of GOPers have lost their way. I see myself as an American first, and a conservative Libertarian politically, more so than a Republican. FYI - I voted for Harry Browne in the 2000 election.
I truly don't care if it is an 'extension' of what started during the Clinton years. Really, truly. If it makes you happy, I'd rather find a third party that is free of the historical bagage of both parties; but one thing is clear to me... you won't be in that third party either. You seem to think what the Republicans are doing is right, which scares the crud out of me.
Chris, to answer your question:
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THE IRAQ SURGE:
WHY IT'S WORKING ...
By GORDON CUCULLU
March 20, 2007 -- 'I WALKED down the streets of Ramadi a few days ago, in a soft cap eating an ice cream with the mayor on one side of me and the police chief on the other, having a conversation." This simple act, Gen. David Petraeus told me, would have been "unthinkable" just a few months ago. "And nobody shot at us," he added.
And this....
WASHINGTON — Rep. Keith Ellison, Congress' only Muslim, made a weekend trip to Iraq, where a pair of sheiks urged him to help counter Al Qaeda's vision of Islam.
Ellison, D-Minn., said he met in Ramadi with the two sheiks, who oversee several hundred thousand congregants.
"They were very upset and concerned that Al Qaeda is misrepresenting Islam," Ellison told reporters Monday during a conference call from Germany on his way back to the U.S. "And they were talking to me about what I can possibly do to work with them to give a clearer, more accurate picture of what Islam is all about."
Ellison, a vocal critic of the Iraq war, was part of a delegation of six freshman House members, three Democrats and three Republicans, who visited Baghdad and Ramadi.
Leading the delegation was Rep. Jerry McNerney, D-Calif., who said he saw signs of progress in Ramadi in Anbar province and was impressed by Gen. David Petraeus, President Bush's top military commander in Iraq, who argued in favor of giving Bush's troop surge strategy time to work. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291417,00.html
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sig.... I was referring to Thomas Tamm as an examle of those who are attempting to sabotage the Administration by leaking vital secret information , as well as those papers which chose to ran the story, even when specifically asked not to. If Bush were 1/2 the totalitarian king so many accuse him of being, he'd have forbidden the news papers from running those stories, and thrown the editors in jail for disobeying the President. W would have to act like Hugo Chavez, who so many on the Left seem to be in love with, in order to deserve being called the names he's been called.
Hell yes we've got something to hide. We're trying to hide our next move so the terrorist don't find out about it unitl after we've arrived at their front door, or dropped the next Daisy Cutter on their shack.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:AU, thanks for showing me where you came to your evaluation on that. Still, I see other reports that don't make it seem so rosey...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chris, to answer your question:
THE IRAQ SURGE:
WHY IT'S WORKING ...
By GORDON CUCULLU
March 20, 2007 -- 'I WALKED down the streets of Ramadi a few days ago, in a soft cap eating an ice cream with the mayor on one side of me and the police chief on the other, having a conversation." This simple act, Gen. David Petraeus told me, would have been "unthinkable" just a few months ago. "And nobody shot at us," he added.
Cautious Chrisisall
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Oh, F*X News. Well, then, it must be true. 
Or not.
And the person who wrote the opinion piece - Gordon Cucullu - http://www.colonelgordon.com/ Conservative Speaker Gordon Cucullu - he wouldn't be biased at all, I take it.
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Quote:Yes I figure it was Tamm you were referring to and I understand that some people leak info for political purposes (and that comment cuts nicely both ways) but what does that have to do with not getting FISA warrants? I know I keep asking the same question over and over, but I keep asking about FISA warrants and you keep pointing to everything BUT!
Sig.... I was referring to Thomas Tamm as an examle of those who are attempting to sabotage the Administration by leaking vital secret information
The FISC has never leaked warrant info. It's a very small court, with limited staff and top security clearance which has already issued 10,000- 15,000 warrants and refused less than a dozen. And if Bush can't trust THIS court, then he has one of two problems:
He's so paranoid that he should be on antipsychotics, or...
He wants to do something illegal (like spy on political opponents or look for leakers in his own administration or go on thousand-person fishing expeditions or simply intimidate the press) that he knew it wouldn't stand muster, even in the very generous FISA court.
In fact, it would be interesting to see how many times Bush (or his staff) went to the FISA court to get a warrant. Because common sense says if there was a big jump in attempted FISA warrants after 9-11 that would evidence a good-faith effort by the Administration to abide by FISA whenever possible. But if post 9-11 showed little increase in FISA warrants that would indicate a purposeful avoidance of the court.
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When will you stop trying to pound a square peg into a round hole?
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Quote:Well, he said no one shot at them...not that he had a boatload of guys w/guns there to make sure the photo op wasn't spoiled or anything....
Originally posted by rue:
And the person who wrote the opinion piece - Gordon Cucullu - http://www.colonelgordon.com/ Conservative Speaker Gordon Cucullu - he wouldn't be biased at all, I take it.
That's why cautious Chrisisall
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There were two items posted together.
The first was from March 20, 2007, about how safe Ramadi has become. It's been my experience that when something drops off the news - it's not going so well. How much are you hearing about Ramadi ? Or Fallujah come to think of it, or Tikrit. Now, if I were to search under "northern iraq" or another, broader delimiter for the area, I'd probably find a lot more.
This is what I got from the first two links on a google of ramadi attack 2007
Thursday, March 1, 2007; Page A13
BAGHDAD, Feb. 28 -- A community leader in the western Iraqi city of Ramadi provided additional information Wednesday about a deadly car bombing earlier this week that U.S. officials said did not occur.
Suicide car bombers leave 20 dead in Ramadi
Attacks occur in area where U.S. making inroads against insurgents
Karin Brulliard, Washington Post
Tuesday, May 8, 2007
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Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Suicide car bombers leave 20 dead in Ramadi
THAT'S AN ISOLATED INCIDENT! You make it sound like a war zone, which it is NOT! I deal in FACTS, not leftist nonsense.
"People don't like when you shoot their kids, I worked that out myself."
AURaptorisall
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