To save America, we need another 9/11

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LEADB

Thursday, August 16, 2007 2:32 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll agree, that the current batch of GOPers have lost their way.

Ok, you've managed to surprise me with that comment. What example would you provide that the 'current batch of GOPers have lost their way'?

LEADB

Friday, August 17, 2007 2:18 AM

Sorry to be a nudge; but I was really hoping for a reply to that one /\.

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 17, 2007 2:33 AM

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Originally posted by leadb:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll agree, that the current batch of GOPers have lost their way.
Ok, you've managed to surprise me with that comment. What example would you provide that the 'current batch of GOPers have lost their way'?

Nudge away. Real world tends to keep me from replying here.

Where to begin....

'Comprehensive' Immigration? Harriet Myers ? Excessive spending ? Extended stay for Donald Rumsfeld ? Not vetoing McCain/Fiengold ? Failure to adopt the FAIR tax plan as Platform dogma ? Perscription Drug Program? Gonzalez for USSC consideration? Dubai Ports deal ? Indifference to various National Security leaks ?

Some may note that I don't include 'Katrina'/New Orleans in this list. I honestly believe that, while the Fed Gov't showed it's usual ineptness to deal w/ something this large, the state/ local Govt's also bare the brunt of the blame. This diaster was decades in the making, and anyone who blames the Bush administration for the hardships resulting after Katrina is a complete and total moron.

Not a complete list, but it gives most of the highlights.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, August 17, 2007 2:37 AM

Double post

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, August 17, 2007 2:37 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
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The only people I see using terror tactics, running this country to the ground and trying to take away freedoms and destroy civil rights is the current Bush administration and I could give a damn about their politics.!!
But that IS their politics. Politics just isn't democratic versus republican, its the whole ethos of how to run a country. Now, some administrations choose secrecy because their real reasons for doing what they do wouldn't stand inspection under the plain light of day. And that's their politics.

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Always look upstream.

I'm not saying that isn't their poltics what I'm saying is I don't give a damn about their poltics. ( and seriously lets be honest do you really think there is that much diffrence between the Democrates and Republicans in office) I'm not talking about the people, I'm talking about the politicans. and I'm not dumb Signym I know damn well that politcal ideology is how governments are ran, but ummm thanks for pointing that out, thats not what I was talking about.
I am so over Right, Left nonesense that has divided this country and have gotten people so stupid bickering with eachother that they can't concentrate on whats going on; we are being played, and I'm wondering what is it going to take for us to realize that!! It just seems rather petty to me at this point.I'm looking at what they do, their actions, thats the only thing that concerns me. There seems to be alot of hemming and hawwing over Left and Right on this board and its a bunch of BS. It has a way of just dronning on and on without much being acomplished I'm not saying that is what your doing, because I do see you and others trying to sometimes stick to the issues at hand but you do get caught up in the cycle too. I'm just at the point where if you can't get pass the left right stuff then whats the point.

I just really wonder sometimes, because people seem to identify with a party and defend it over the actions of the people in that party, I personally think its sad, and speaks volumes about where we are headed as a nation. Which kind of brings us back around to the orginal topic of this thread, about needing something to unite us. We do but on our terms not on theirs and we just keep continuing to play their game and its a game we can't win becuse it rigged. We all need to wake the hell up and soon. I don't know if there is any hope for people like Aupraptor, or maybe it has less to do with hope..and more to do with honesty.. (There are people who are totally on board with what the Bush administration is doing and they like it but are just to cowardly to be upfront and honest about it. Thus they try to find ways to defend it instead of just coming out with their true feelings) because I think Auprator is not being honest he's not willing to let it all hang out and in the process has got you guys going round in circles because of it. I think many liberal minded people are under the assumption that some people just don't have all the facts and need to made aware or they are naive. When really its that some of these people like whats happening or either don't care and if thats the case whats the point. But having said that there still has got to be a better way then the nonesense that I see on the board

Its like when someone brings up something that Bush has done or the Bush adminatration and then someone counters that with something Clinton has done,its ridiculous, instead staying focused on the issues it starts getting to be this tit for tat nonesense that just gets stupid. I don't care what someone's poltics are I don't care if they are Democrate or Republican..( of course I realize not everyone can be like me and thats fine)I look at their deeds I'd no more defend a Liberal then a conservative if they are wrong; but thats not what I see alot of times on this boar. I'm not saying your doing that because your not, but the constant arguing over it just seems rather pointless to me.!! thats all I'm

ANTIMASON

Friday, August 17, 2007 4:14 AM

...i agree...

LEADB

Friday, August 17, 2007 4:42 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by leadb:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I'll agree, that the current batch of GOPers have lost their way.
Ok, you've managed to surprise me with that comment. What example would you provide that the 'current batch of GOPers have lost their way'?

Nudge away. Real world tends to keep me from replying here.

Where to begin....

'Comprehensive' Immigration? Harriet Myers ? Excessive spending ? Extended stay for Donald Rumsfeld ? Not vetoing McCain/Fiengold ? Failure to adopt the FAIR tax plan as Platform dogma ? Perscription Drug Program? Gonzalez for USSC consideration? Dubai Ports deal ? Indifference to various National Security leaks ?

Some may note that I don't include 'Katrina'/New Orleans in this list. I honestly believe that, while the Fed Gov't showed it's usual ineptness to deal w/ something this large, the state/ local Govt's also bare the brunt of the blame. This diaster was decades in the making, and anyone who blames the Bush administration for the hardships resulting after Katrina is a complete and total moron.

Not a complete list, but it gives most of the highlights.

Thanks for the response. NP on not catching it the first time, with all the threads it's easy to drop the occasional item. I suspect on some of these items we are in concurrence.

Re: McCain Fiengold, why did you think it should have been vetoed?

And personally, as you've granted the Fed showed its usual ineptness, I won't make a cow. There was plenty of blame to go around on that one.

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, August 17, 2007 5:40 AM

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I guess I'm just curious why some of you guys bother

Because as long as some folk go around hiding absolute insanity behind a mask of reason and logic (which, when picked apart, amounts to lies, doubletalk and newspeak) then there are people who might believe it.

I claw that mask off, and let folks see the hate, fear, intolerance and outright insanity of the folk coming up with these policies and bright ideas, as well as adding some historical education so folks can realize we done much of this stuff before, and where and how did it end up ?

And being a downright Anarchist, I don't have a side, and am completely annoyed as well at folk taking a party line and holding it in spite of blatantly obvious realities - even when the party in question betrays everything they pretend to believe in, it's madness.

Funny how the right screams womb-to-tomb at the left while proposing womb-to-tomb surveillence, innit ?

To paraphrase Treebeard.
"Side ?... I am not on anyones side, because no one is on my side..."

I want my damn country back, I want the freedoms guaranteed in the US Constitution, the so-called law of the land that both parties have been treating as toilet paper for the last 209 years, since the FIRST set of Tory->Federalist->Whig->Republicans tried to set up the FIRST "Patriot Act" back in 1789 with the Alien and Sedition Act.

I bag on the Repugs harder because in almost 230 years, they've done the most damage, and their agenda to reduce us back to a Feudal system with them as the Lords and us as the Peons has not been in doubt for much of that time - the Dimmocrats on the other hand, want us babysit by an all-powerful state "for our own good" which is almost as asinine, but they're fairly incompetent and disorganized, not to mention gutless, and I do not see them as a significant threat for that reason.

I strike where the threat is, and I don't feel threatened in any way by those Dimmocrat pansies, but these Rethugs are a clear and imminent danger to folk like me, and thus, are gonna take the brunt of my wrath - humankind is like that, something that makes us fear, that is a threat to us, we attack with all our might in the hopes of destroying it's ability to harm us.

And I think, in that, you can sum up a LOT of why folks are specifically attacking that political party - it's not a party/party issue cause the folks laying into them cross at least five political spectrums that I am aware of, it's simply that they are perceived as a threat to ANYONE not drinking their kool-aid and cheering them on, so this isn't a right-left fight, much as the righties would have people believe by throwing that strawman under the bus every chance they get.

This is the right-vs-the entire goddamn planet, is what it is, because almost everyone BUT them thinks they are formenting and desiring a third world war ending in a nuclear apocalypse, and no sane person wants that.

On a lesser scale, the agenda is disgustingly clear, they wish to reduce to population to more or less peon slave labor (and were mostly there already via debt slavery which qualifies in my eyes as indentured servitude to a bank!) and elevate themselves and their corporate buddies to lordship - and none of us would-be-peasants is too damned fond of the idea.

So it's not really right-left, it's people who percieve a threat at their freedom and personhood FROM the right, attacking it in hopes of breaking it's ability to do harm to them.

The idea that this is at all a party line issue is being fostered by those lunatic righties, in the hopes of dissuading folk from attacking them by smearing them with the word "liberal" (and if this word continues to be used as a smear here, you're gonna see words thrown back that'll make a prison gaurd blush, I swear it.) and falsely aligning them with "the left" and then trying to dismiss them with the assumption that they're just attacking them for political reasons, which is anything but the case.

To some degree, they sold you that jalopy, and you bought it, Jenny - se

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, August 17, 2007 7:49 AM

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To some degree, they sold you that jalopy, and you bought it, Jenny - sell it back and look close, it's everyone who feels threatened by them, and not a party issue at all.

No honestly I haven't bought what they are selling which is why I posted my thoughts. Its the insaneness of it all. When they start in with that left right crap I just wish someone would shut them down, because its not even about that!!

But instead of going round in circles I wanted someone to point out just how insane it is and I'll just say thank you now Frem because you did it.

I'm very in your face and I don't have the patience or tact that many of you do which is why I don't post as much. It drives me batshyt crazy literally to read some of these threads and see the insane crap that is posted..and nobody calling it what it is... crazy.

Thats also why I posted about the left- right crap,at this stage in the game, it should be pretty obvious to everyone that we are well beyond that. Its not a right left issue anymore if it ever was, frankly I thought you guys were the ones who had bought the crap they've been selling, but I'm happy to see this isn't the case and that I was wrong about that.

I didn't want to sound condesending, but I was wondering why do you guys even bother with the Auraptors and that ilk, when obviously they support what the Bush administration is doing, not because they don't know..but because this is the stuff they like and support. They pretend they want to discuss and issue, but they really don't. and so in order to discuss anything with them you guys have to pretend that they really want to discuss something. I'm reading these threads and I'm thinking Stop the madness, lets stop pretending...this is the crap they like and support and lets take it from there; trying to have a discussion with them seems insane, because it is insane.

I guess I didn't understand what you guys were trying to accomplish by going round and round with them. But I see now that your not doing this for them..I now have a deeper appreication and understanding of why many of you do what you do on this board.

As far as politcal parties are concerned, I don't even think in terms of politcal parties I'm way beyond that. I'm a liberal and a feminist, but I have no use for politcal parties at least not our two major parties

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I bag on the Repugs harder because in almost 230 years, they've done the most damage, and their agenda to reduce us back to a Feudal system with them as the Lords and us as the Peons has not been in doubt for much of that time - the Dimmocrats on the other hand, want us babysit by an all-powerful state "for our own good" which is almost as asinine, but they're fairly incompetent and disorganized, not to mention gutless, and I do not see them as a significant threat for that reason.

I strike where the threat is, and I don't feel threatened in any way by those Dimmocrat pansies, but these Rethugs are a clear and imminent danger to folk like me, and thus, are gonna take the brunt of my wrath - humankind is like that, something that makes us fear, that is a threat to us, we attack with all our might in the hopes of destroying it's ability to harm us.
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I agree, and I have no intention of becoming anyones slave in any way, shape, or form, i'll fight it the only way I really know how and that is not to fear them, and stand up for what I believe I don't fear the Bush administration or anyone of these cowards on this board and if my only choice in this world is to die I'd do it happily,I'd take that choice over giving into them with fear any time or any day.

Reality in this country has been twisted its like were living in the matrix. The crap thats presented to us isn't what it appears to be, and this if the peception that we are working from. If we are seeking the truth from the basis of a twisted reality or a lie what kind of outcome will be the result.

shove me into shallow water before I get to deep

Anywho its good to see that you haven't lost your fire and w

PIRATEJENNY

Friday, August 17, 2007 7:49 AM

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