To save America, we need another 9/11
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Originally posted by rue:
Not to pick on you Rap, but I had to pick somebody ...
Here are some of your worst gaffes:
These aren't gaffes. They're opinions and comments which you don't like or want to even deal with, so you just dismiss them out of hand and resort to childish insults. Get over yourself, 'dude'.
Quote:Nicely taken out of context. I'm too bored to have this discussion over again, but I'm sure you'll get a hard on over it. Seems you just can't get me off your mind. How sad
I'd think the Left wing would be cheering for the terrorist next time. I just think that next time, those on the Left will be cheering WHILE the attacks are going on ... I wasn't speaking of ALL the Lefties (the last bit is called a climb-down)
Quote:Not making up anything as I go along, them's just the facts.
You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT. That IS fucking sad. The Left is , by definition, womb to tomb Nanny state (making up facts as you go along)
Quote:While winning in Iraq, that is.
OUR party is trying to do something important, like fight Islamic terroirst.(while quagmired in Iraq no less !)
Quote:Read slowly, you'll understand it in time.
It is the Liberal M.O., and it pisses you off that I nailed it dead to rights. You just don't like being called out on it. (What was the point again ??)
Quote:And John Conyers thanks you.
No,it's YOUR party which wants to drag out partisan investigation after investigation, screaming about Impeachment ... (Yes, the investigations have been dragging on for years - years - costing tens of millions of dollars already !)
Quote:White American. Yes. And I can vote. Unlike felons, those mentally impaired and those not 18 yrs old yet. Your point ? It's certainly not about any freedoms you've lost, as those would be 'zero'. Unless your proptery was deemed an eye sore by the local Government, then they can condemn it , sell it to Wal-Mart, or some developer, and then rake in huge tax revenues from the new luxury condos, homes or commercial proptery. - But none of that has to do w/ the war on Islamo-fascism, so we'll just ignore that, huh?
None of MY freedoms have been taken away. (White republican. At least you still can vote, unlike some). Have yours ? (Shall I list the ways we've ALL lost our rights ? Naw, you wouldn't read it anyway.) Oh, you mean the 'freedom' to attack the sitting President when he's of a different political party ? That freedom? (Sounds like democracy to me.)
Quote:Guess you didn't read my reply, where it mentions the leaks ran by the NY Times, etc.... One leaker so far has been identified. Wanna guess which party he contributed to in '04 ??
Why the hell didn't they just GET a FISA directive ? Maybe because they were afraid of leaks, as seems to be case. Seems some would rather sabotage the President's office than see us track down the terrorists. (Now who could that be ? People inside the WH ? I guess they could be those "some people" you speak about.)
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The entire sum of your argument is that "the Left" (anyone who disagrees with Bush) hates Bush so much they support global Islamists. For proof you cite Churchill and Maher, "some people" who leak, the newpapers, non-existent investigations. As opposed to you, the hero. It's a fucking joke.
You hear/ read only what you want. I happen to disagree w/ Bush on a great many things, so there goes your sad attempt at summing up my argument. As for the Left, my point is pretty valid. They'd rather hurt Bush and the GOP politically than do what's right for the country and defend it against Islamic zealots. I listed Maher, Churchill, those Democrats who were for going after Iraq when Clinton was in office, even afterward, when it seemed politically popular to do. But as soon as they saw it could go bad for them, taking the side of the President, they flip flopped. All for pure politics. The Plame ' leak ' trial wa
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"These aren't gaffes. They're opinions and comments ..." But they are sooo unsupported and self-contradictory. You must spend a lot of time chasing your opinions around and around - like a puppy with its tail.
"Nicely taken out of context." No, not really. You posted what you posted. Suck it up and move on.
"You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT ... Not making up anything as I go along, them's just the facts." No, they're opinions.
"No,it's YOUR party which wants to drag out partisan investigation after investigation, screaming about Impeachment ... And John Conyers thanks you." Ken Starr says thank you to you, as well.
"t's certainly not about any freedoms you've lost, as those would be 'zero'." I'll take "writ of habeus corpus and innocent until proven guilty Ken !"
"While winning in Iraq, that is." Now THAT'S funny. Deranged, off-track, out to lunch - but funny.
"One leaker so far has been identified." Someone within the administration had to leak the information. Who was that ?
"They'd rather hurt Bush and the GOP politically than do what's right for the country and defend it against Islamic zealots." How do you know ? Oh, YOU use Tarot cards. 
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Originally posted by chrisisall:Quote:Rue, this is strange to read, because I'd feel lucky to seem as bright as either you or Signy...
Originally posted by rue:
But, Chris, is all, and SignyM ... if I could be as smart as either of you, I'd feel lucky.
*would this constitute an intellectual circle-jerk?*
Puny 130 Chrisisall
I think you're all a bunch of dumbasses, sitting around pontificating on your intelligence, going round and round and bickering about Left and Right politics when that shouldn't even factor into it or matter,(stupid) its the actions not the politics that should matter. But then again I get a kick out of reading this shyt if that makes me a dumbass too so be it
I don't claim to be the brightest bulb in the pack but I'm not the dimmest either and I know what I see. The only people I see using terror tactics, running this country to the ground and trying to take away freedoms and destroy civil rights is the current Bush administration..and I could give a damn about their politics.!!
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Quote:Aw hell Auraptor, even the WH wouldn't use such a lame excuse. The "warrantless' program was started in 2001. Back then, the only leaks that were being published were those bits of info leaked by the WH itself. And specifically the FISA judges have NEVER leaked anything. Since the warrants would only be exposed to the FISA court, the WH had no reason to think that the warrants themselves would be compromised, therefore fear of a "leak" is an improbable rationalization for not going thru the FISA court.
Why the hell didn't they just GET a FISA directive ? Maybe because they were afraid of leaks, as seems to be case. Seems some would rather sabotage the President's office than see us track down the terrorists..... One leaker so far has been identified. Wanna guess which party he contributed to in '04 ??
So, if you were to come up with a better reason why Bush started a warrantless eavesdropping program (and you're going to have to, since the reason you gave doesn't make any sense) what would that be?
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Quote:But that IS their politics. Politics just isn't democratic versus republican, its the whole ethos of how to run a country. Now, some administrations choose secrecy because their real reasons for doing what they do wouldn't stand inspection under the plain light of day. And that's their politics.
The only people I see using terror tactics, running this country to the ground and trying to take away freedoms and destroy civil rights is the current Bush administration and I could give a damn about their politics.!!
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Quote:No, they're supported, but not contradictory. You just can't deal with them, it seems.
Originally posted by rue:
"These aren't gaffes. They're opinions and comments ..." But they are sooo unsupported and self-contradictory. You must spend a lot of time chasing your opinions around and around - like a puppy with its tail.
Quote:Not when you take words out of context, I won't suck it up and move on. I'll simply remind folks that it's taken out of context.
"Nicely taken out of context." No, not really. You posted what you posted. Suck it up and move on.
Quote:Yes. Opinoins based on facts.
"You mean shackle themselves to the womb to tomb mentality of the LEFT ... Not making up anything as I go along, them's just the facts." No, they're opinions.
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"No,it's YOUR party which wants to drag out partisan investigation after investigation, screaming about Impeachment ... And John Conyers thanks you." Ken Starr says thank you to you, as well.
That depends on what your definition of "is" is.
Quote:Fictional answer. You've lost neither. Next? ( And it's PRESUMED innnocent, in a court of law )
"t's certainly not about any freedoms you've lost, as those would be 'zero'." I'll take "writ of habeus corpus and innocent until proven guilty Ken !"
Quote:Read the papers much ?
"One leaker so far has been identified." Someone within the administration had to leak the information. Who was that ?
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"They'd rather hurt Bush and the GOP politically than do what's right for the country and defend it against Islamic zealots." How do you know ? Oh, YOU use Tarot cards.
Pretty easy to figure that one out. When they say exactly the same things as Bush says, only they said it when Clinton was in office, then flip flop their views after the war starts, it's clearly political. When making up false claims of having been ' outed ', as the Plames did, shows they were clearly against the war and were trying to harm the Administration, leaking top secret programs which were helping fight the terrorist all on a bogus claim of the people's 'right to know', when revealing that program puts an end to its effectiveness.....no need for Tarot cards here. Just dealing with the facts, again.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
auraptorQuote:Aw hell Auraptor, even the WH wouldn't use such a lame excuse. The "warrantless' program was started in 2001. Back then, the only leaks that were being published were those bits of info leaked by the WH itself. And specifically the FISA judges have NEVER leaked anything. Since the warrants would only be exposed to the FISA court, the WH had no reason to think that the warrants themselves would be compromised, therefore fear of a "leak" is an improbable rationalization for not going thru the FISA court.
Why the hell didn't they just GET a FISA directive ? Maybe because they were afraid of leaks, as seems to be case. Seems some would rather sabotage the President's office than see us track down the terrorists..... One leaker so far has been identified. Wanna guess which party he contributed to in '04 ??
So, if you were to come up with a better reason why Bush started a warrantless eavesdropping program (and you're going to have to, since the reason you gave doesn't make any sense) what would that be?
No, I don't have to, pressed for time as I am now, but here's the guy they're looking into. If you ever care, that is.
WASHINGTON — FBI agents searched the home of former Justice Department lawyer Thomas Tamm last week in an effort to determine who leaked details of the warrantless eavesdropping program to the news media, Newsweek magazine reported Sunday, citing two anonymous legal sources.
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/08/06/fbi_raids_home_in_jus
tice_dept_media_leak/3971/
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Nice post 6ixString...I think the vast majority of people in the Government are good and decent people, same as in the private sector. Because we only really ever hear about the bad apples, so many bad apples sometimes, it seems like everything in the world is corrupt and inept. That's why it's a good idea to keep your sense of humor handy whenever your first instinct is too get agitated....especially 'bout things and/or people you cannot do anything about. All you really can do to change anything is to vote for candidates you believe in, ones who have a track record of achievements that agree with your positions. Political promises, politically expedient flip-floppers, and opponent bashing will never help you or I one iota.
I'm not a saint, and I go out of my way most times to let that be known. I'm not sitting here judging them and throwing stones at them while claiming that I am any better morally then they are. To them and their own, I'm sure most of them are great people. It's all the "little people" they tend to view as nothing more than statistics and votes that get hurt when they pass new laws on a daily basis which serve to restrict personal freedom more every day. Or when they vote themselves pay raises on our dime. Or get their dipshit cousin a job when more intelligent, harder working people are unemployed or underemployed.
But you're right. To be fair, there is a lot of good in people and just because someone chooses to be a servant of the Government, it doesn't make them inherantly evil. I'll just reiterate my point that if we take away the free will of man through technology and the legislation of morality, we're doomed.
I'd love to share your beliefs about the value of voting, but in my mind it is little more than and exercise in impotency. But I think I will be exercising the right to get my boy Ron Paul in. He's the only politician I've ever constantly agreed with on almost everything aside from issues which I view as insignificant in light of current events such as his stance on abortion. Fix the country first, then we'll figure out if we should allow that or not...
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Well folks, my head hurts. It's that spot that keeps tapping the wall during certain discussions.
Rap: I don't know how you can look at the patriot act, the drop of need for judicial oversight for wire taps, and any other number of items put in place in the last six years and not even express the least understanding of why folks feel their freedoms are being curtailed. Ok, we don't agree. I just hope you'll understand that at some point, those folks who feel their freedoms are being curtailed will push back, and may push back so much harder than you anticipate.
I truly don't care if it is an 'extension' of what started during the Clinton years. Really, truly. If it makes you happy, I'd rather find a third party that is free of the historical bagage of both parties; but one thing is clear to me... you won't be in that third party either. You seem to think what the Republicans are doing is right, which scares the crud out of me.
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Quote:This one statement alone should point out to all here that discussion is all but useless with ya, AU. Care to support this statement at ALL? Do you define winning by just taking out Saddam? The fact that our peeps over there are fatigued matter? That we've been there this many years already? That the violence hasn't slowed? How the f**k do you see a win over there?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
While winning in Iraq, that is.
Please, don't make it THIS easy to call you on acting like an idiot...
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