Serenity

POSTED BY: dogjoy3
UPDATED: Saturday, July 28, 2007 14:57
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THESOMNAMBULIST

Friday, July 27, 2007 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by dogjoy3:
So... do you think a sequel would be doable without them, or did he want it to end here? Not that we would know what he really thinks, only our opinion.

Yup. I think there's room for a sequel there, but it would have to take on a different personality.
Thing with SERENITY is Joss was so lucky to have been given the chance to resurrect these characters. It almost NEVER happens. So when someone gives you the chance to make YOUR film, and lets face it SERENITY is all Joss, then you really have to give it everything you can, and that in part demands you make difficult choices. Such as the killing off of your key characters. It's a hard thing to do, but the story is injected with so much more. (especially if your clevercloggs brilliant like Joss and you can actually write a good story)

For me the one thing that suggests Joss left a little with the mind of making a sequel, is he fact that he didn't wrap up Mal and Inara's relationship. He obviously felt compelled to keep that to himself for the time being, suggesting that somewhere deep down in his little pessimistic soul is a piece of optimism, that desperately hopes some studio will asks him to continue his wonderful tale.

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DOGJOY3

Friday, July 27, 2007 11:58 PM

From your mouth to Gods ears! We can only hope! good night, and keep hopping!

PHOENIXROSE

Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:20 AM

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Originally posted by thevoiceinmyhead:
Zoe showing no emotion

Were we watching the same movie? Every time she clutches his head and begs him to get up I feel like I'm being stabbed.

And I don't think the actors wanted out of the characters. Alan, at least, has often (lovingly) called Joss a bastard for killing Wash off. Ron Glass always seemed to have great affection for the character and the story and really wanted to see it told. And something along the lines of a prequel or flashback is not out of the question. All the actors signed for three movies. It was partly because he wanted to create imense tension and partly because he doesn't write shiny happy perfect endings; he writes grit and tragedy and something like reality. People die who shouldn't, and it's a messed up universe.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
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THEVOICEINMYHEAD

Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:44 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Originally posted by thevoiceinmyhead:
Zoe showing no emotion

Were we watching the same movie? Every time she clutches his head and begs him to get up I feel like I'm being stabbed.

And I don't think the actors wanted out of the characters. Alan, at least, has often (lovingly) called Joss a bastard for killing Wash off. Ron Glass always seemed to have great affection for the character and the story and really wanted to see it told. And something along the lines of a prequel or flashback is not out of the question. All the actors signed for three movies. It was partly because he wanted to create imense tension and partly because he doesn't write shiny happy perfect endings; he writes grit and tragedy and something like reality. People die who shouldn't, and it's a messed up universe.

Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
A troll's hair is still pointy, even when it's wearing a hat.

I am sure we saw the same movie many times, I guess I just expected more emotion from someone who had just seen the man she loved, the man she was married to die in front of her eyes.

as for Wash and Book, I was just looking for reason why the person might want out of playing the character, in case the show is picked up again, my logic could be faulty, I have been wrong before, not that I will admit it, but I have been wrong before. Without a doubt, it could have just been joss's writing. At the time I had seen the move, the only thing of Joss's i had ever seen was firefly, original run, on TV, and DVD, maybe a hundred times

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FOLLOWMAL

Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:19 AM

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..... I guess I just expected more emotion from someone who had just seen the man she loved, the man she was married to die in front of her eyes.

I think it's a matter of her training too.
Zoe is written as career military. She's seen a lot of death. She knows the finality of it and understands that you can't stop for much emotion in the heat of battle. Her emotion is very quickly interrupted by Mal who literally grabs her, hauls her so she's down and pushes her out of the cockpit and out of the ship. As she's casing Mr. Universes' place as they go in, you can see she's once again fully "on point".

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as for Wash and Book....

I understood on a gut level when I saw the movie why we lost characters. How could everyone get out? Seriously? It was such a dire situation there was no recourse. Just as in a real battle, some people die. Wash and Book died because stuff like that happens... and Joss unflinchingly makes it true in his 'Verse too.
I think both actors love their characters and love working with Joss and would come back in a heartbeat. If anyone can find a way to write them into a story, Joss can.

As to more? Who knows? Only Joss truly.
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Saturday, July 28, 2007 5:56 AM

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Originally posted by dogjoy3:
Here's whats bothering me ever since I saw the movie, Why did Joss kill Wash and Book when he had a psychic on board? He could of had River have one of her visions and stop it just before it happens!

I don't believe that River was ever psychic. In the show she was referred to as being telepathic (see can't see the future, she can read minds).

DOGJOY3

Saturday, July 28, 2007 10:49 AM

well, yes I see your point, but if you look back at firefly, for instance on the episode called Safe, when they are trying to burn her at the stake, she looks up and says to Syman "time to go" way before we can see or hear the ship. Also in the Movie the Operative is angry because the Doctor put a Psychic (River) with the parliament leaders and that's how she learned about Miranda. There are many instances that refer to her as a psychic or a reader (same thing)and that would include reading minds. Any way its just a thought, its done already I just like happy endings!

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GRIZWALD

Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:45 PM

Even if River could see those events coming, I doubt she could formulate a warning clearly for anyone to understand and act on it before it was too late. She tends to use symbolic speech so often, I don't think our literal-minded Captain would have understood, or if he understood, believed, the warning.

I also don't think Mal took things truly seriously until Book died. He would have scoffed at anybody telling him NOT to do what he wanted because of some nebulous risk that may or may not be real. We all know our Mal, a little bullheaded he is.

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DOGJOY3

Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:57 PM

I think your right, but I was thinking more in the way when the ship finally crashes ,River looking shocked gets up runs like a mad woman yelling get up! get up! and pulls him, this happening very fast, Mal and Zoe get it, and help pull Wash out of the chair seconds before the pole almost gets him. See that's what am saying. Psychic in the moment an Epiphany not days before, though I don't think my idea would have saved Book. Its a movie after all I just wish he would have done something else with the end!

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