Why the Left is so dangerous
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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:Quote:So says the conqueror.
Originally posted by citizen:
Then they must have all been blind from birth, since prior to the war of Independence, the colonies were part of the British Empire, and therefore part of Britain. So all they had to do to see Britain was look at what they were standing on.
And I suspect that if Britain had put more interest into the America’s, treated them more like a part of Britain and less like some colony to serve Britain, there might not have been as much animosity towards the British Crown.
Actually, that was pretty much the way that that government treated folks at home as well. There were certain privillages built into the British system that favoured specific classes of people over others. The new up and comers, the merchant classes, the new industrialists folks that made their own fortunes rather than inheriting it fared badly on both sides of the Atlantic, it's just that the ones on the American side had the geographical ability to do something about it. If you look at British history you'll find a lot of the people in the same social class as the founders actually supported the American Revolution and in many respects you got the Republic we should have had after our Civil War. You were lucky, Washington was a better man than Cromwell.
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'Why the Left is so dangerous'
Hmmm, how about 'Why Robert F Kennedy, Jr is so dangerous'?
If we must divide down the middle, I'm clearly left of center; but I must concede this fellow has lost a few wheels.
In any case, the Far Right is, and continues to be, as, or more, dangerous than the Far Left. The Patriot act and other 'goodies' are clearly a legacy of the Right.
So, how about we toss the extremists of both parties out on their butts, fix the damage; and find a way to preserve our rights while protecting the country.
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Quote:I don't remember conquering anyone, maybe you're confusing me with someone?
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
So says the conqueror.
Quote:Actually the American Colonists had it a lot better off than most people back on the home islands. Add to that, that most of the taxes the colonists were objecting to were being levied to defend the colonies, and colonists, from the French, and you may start to see why the British found the colonists demands so unreasonable.
And I suspect that if Britain had put more interest into the America’s, treated them more like a part of Britain and less like some colony to serve Britain, there might not have been as much animosity towards the British Crown.
But far be it from me to point out that there are two sides to every story, I'm sure it all comes down to the evil Brits trampling all over the pure of heart Yankee, who did everything in their power to come to an understanding.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Add to that, that most of the taxes the colonists were objecting to were being levied to defend the colonies, and colonists, from the French, and you may start to see why the British found the colonists demands so unreasonable.
Kind of ironic then that the French ended up being our allies against the British.
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Quote:And that there were more French in the last land battle of the war than Colonists, and that the first major victory, was secured by the French fleet.
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Kind of ironic then that the French ended up being our allies against the British.
But it's even more Ironic given the pivotal role the French played in the War of Independence (along side the Dutch and Spanish), that Americans seem to think so poorly of the French these days.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:And that there were more French in the last land battle of the war than Colonists, and that the first major victory, was secured by the French fleet.
Originally posted by fredgiblet:
Kind of ironic then that the French ended up being our allies against the British.
But it's even more Ironic given the pivotal role the French played in the War of Independence (along side the Dutch and Spanish), that Americans seem to think so poorly of the French these days.
Oh it's even more ironic if you also figure in French Canada. The British fight a war with the French to defend the American colonies. The cost of this is passed to the Colonies as taxes which they don't like. Meanwhile the results of that war is a French defeat at the hands of Wolfe and Quebec becomes a british possesion. With French Canada no longer a threat the colonists get ... well somewhat rebelious of those taxes. The French looking for payback for the fall of Quebec back the Americans. France at that time is a monarchy so in effect the French Aristocracy back the Colonists.
When the colonies win their ideas of Republican government become the new radical idea in Europe, and take off in France leading to a revolution in which the same Aristocracy that backed the colonists lose their heads (literally.)
A lot of the nobles that make it out go to Quebec, under British protection.
I think the French suffered what Dr Paul would term foreign policy blowback.
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Its almost Poetic isn't it?
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Originally posted by citizen:
Its almost Poetic isn't it?
Yes, it has a certain ironic symetry.
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Originally posted by leadb:
'Why the Left is so dangerous'
Hmmm, how about 'Why Robert F Kennedy, Jr is so dangerous'?
If we must divide down the middle, I'm clearly left of center; but I must concede this fellow has lost a few wheels.
In any case, the Far Right is, and continues to be, as, or more, dangerous than the Far Left. The Patriot act and other 'goodies' are clearly a legacy of the Right.
So, how about we toss the extremists of both parties out on their butts, fix the damage; and find a way to preserve our rights while protecting the country.
RFK Jr calls for the 'treating' of legitimate businesses as if they had committed treason. And the Patriot Act ? I fail to see the danger here. When I was younger, and heard arguments about how the Gov't had the 'right' to search property for illegal drugs, like one's car, even with out probable cause, I was indifferent. " If you've got nothing to hide, why are you afraid of what they might find. And if you're afraid, then maybe you're hiding something...." Of course, I later grew up and took courses in Constitutional law, and it dawned on me that we, as individuals have rights, and it's the Gov'ts job to PROTECT those rights, not trample on them.
So, to be honest, I'm at a cross roads. On the surface, I see nothing wrong w/ the Patriot Act. All the fears which folks claim 'COULD' happen, aren't. I don't see any rash of people's rights being violated, either by legitimate or false reasons. When the issue of terrorism is brought up, I recall the old line, " If you've got nothing to hide, why worry ? ", which of course brings me to a pause. ISthe 'war on terror' nothing more than a reved up version of the failed and pointless 'war on drugs' ? Then I think of 9/11. I watch a documentary or what ever, and remember what it was like on that day. Sure, there's the possibility that the P.A. could be used and abused.....but as of yet, I'm not convinced it has.
Eyes wide open.
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"Sure, there's the possibility that the P.A. could be used and abused.....but as of yet, I'm not convinced it has.
Eyes wide open."
And I cannot provide clear proof it has; but I believe the language is problematic and should be tuned back so it cannot be. In any case, yes, keep "Eyes wide open" please.
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