Why the Left is so dangerous
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 14:10
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Sargeantx-
The 'left' is so dangerous because those who claim to represent the 'right' (neo-cons) have traded in the virtues of conservatism in exchange for power. In doing so, they've given liberals the ammunition they need to tear down the last vestiges of freedom. Nice going assholes!
very simply put.. but thats what i believe. conservatism used to be a strict adherence to the constitution, but i think the precedent set under president Wilson and the 'new deal', forever compromised the competitiveness of the message of consistutional liberty, and ushered in a new era of liberal politics.
ill give the democratic party credit, you know what youre getting with them. they dont hide their loyalties towards the 'secular', socialist, Marxist crowd.. except that its highly diluted (for mass consumption reasons)
on the other hand the last 30 years of so called 'conservatives', are relatively 'left' leaning by constitutional standards. they have succumbed to the same 'pork' and entitlements, and have forsaken their original principles. i guess republican has taken on a new meaning, since the party has split into left leaning neocons, who only give lip service to the constitution when it benefits them politically, or conveniently
Finn made the point pretty well that our system of government, at least intended by the constitution, is antithetical to socialism, and the two are principally mutually exclusive(without major problems and inconsistencies). i could go on about this for awhile.. but at the root of this is a conspiracy to deliberatly force socialism on Americans by diception and conditioning. its been happening from our beginning, but this century has taken the turn to epic
for example, this is why conservatives have always been against the department of Education. its a federal state mandated curriculum.. there to intentionally propagate and condition AMericas youth into accepting secular theories, like socialism(and atheism), and away from our (if nothing else) deistic historical constitutional republic
so... now what we get are two parties beholden to private interests, political minorities(at the extremes) and a fraudulent monetary system, which itself was designed to perpetuate socialism (as well as debt and war and instability and serfdom). and from their we all know how the game is played, using the 'extremes' to polarize discourse, to instigate division so real issues arent(or cant be) dealt with
but the bottom line should be that any members of congress unwilling to abolish the Federal Reserve, be it left or right, are 'leftists', because they are by default abandoning constitutional principles(like sound money), and permitting and aiding this big government socialist virus to overtake us
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Did I do it again ... miss a joke by thinking it was serious ? 
My only excuse is that some pepole say that stuff and mean it - it's so hard to tell the ironic from scary but sincere sometimes.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
Ayup
SergeantX
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Originally posted by antimason:
"Antimason's Entire Post as opposed to Sarges'
I stand corrected.... it can be said better.
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Quote:The differences between English and German are much less than between English and most other languages, English grew out of the Germanic languages from the influences of the Angles and the Saxons, they share a similar grammatical structure, but the differences are there. The problem is that computer translators only ever translate on the word level, they can make some use of grammatical corrections, but binary translations are never all that good. They can only ever translate the words in the sentence, not what the sentence actually means. That's why Human translators are always better, they translate what the sentence means, rather than what the sentence says.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Ya don't say....
Babel must do a much better job translating from English to German than vice versa...
(Try putting that German back into English now.)
Anyway, my rather pigeon German indicates that the translation isn't great, but adequate.
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Quote:I love you too sweety, but keep the piss away from the gentlemen.
Originally posted by babywiththepower:
Was ist mit dem deutschen Herrn douche beutel?
You know? You're right. English is so passe. You're just too cool for school Cit.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Finn,
Your point, that a major change in philosopy may be dangerous to our liberty and econcomy is a good one. However, there's a good case that this administration is the cause of just such a change.
For instance, the appointment of Judge Alito and Chief Justice Roberts pushed the Supreme Court further to the right and more likely to support the postions against abortion while supporting big business, and the "unitary executive" interpretation of the constitution.
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Quote:I’m using the word patriotism exactly as the dictionary suggests it should be used. If you don’t get it, I don’t know what I can do about that. It means love for one’s country, not love for one’s country, as long as its government leans to the Left.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Finn, I have this weird feeling that we're going to keep going round and round unless we find the nub of our discrepancy. You keep using the word "patriotism" to mean something that I'm just not getting, altho I'm trying.
Quote:At no point did I say that attacking the government (verbally I assume) is unpatriotic. And frankly, I don’t think any reasonable interpretation of what I said could come to that conclusion.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Then you say that attacking the "government" is unpatriotic.
If you believe you’re patriotic for wanting to withdraw from Iraq, wonderful, but I don’t know what you want from me, or expect me to say to that. You’re equating a political opinion to patriotism. People do it all the time, but that’s just rhetoric.
Quote:And why would you? It’s a discussion about republicanism, not patriotism.
Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't find anything is this definition that contradicts my definition of patriotism. If you think that your definition of patriotism los matches this decription then we are clearly reading different things from the same document.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Like I said, major shift either way probably aren’t beneficial, but I believe we are the least prepared for major shifts to the European Left.
Originally posted by Veteran:
Finn,
Your point, that a major change in philosopy may be dangerous to our liberty and econcomy is a good one. However, there's a good case that this administration is the cause of just such a change.
For instance, the appointment of Judge Alito and Chief Justice Roberts pushed the Supreme Court further to the right and more likely to support the postions against abortion while supporting big business, and the "unitary executive" interpretation of the constitution.
And I don’t think Judge Alito and Chief Justice Roberts represent a major shift. Remember Kelo vs. New London? The case in which it was ruled that the government could take private property from one owner and give it to another owner if it could be shown to further economic development. That borders on Communism, and it was supported by all the Liberal judges and none of the Conservative judges. So frankly I think the addition of Alito and Roberts does more to prevent major shifts then cause them.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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government could take private property from one owner and give it to another owner if it could be shown to further economic development. That borders on Communism ...
Terrible, just terrible.
See ya in Gitmo ... I hear it's pretty nice. And not a bad trade-off for land.
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Originally posted by antimason:
conservatism used to be a strict adherence to the constitution, but i think the precedent set under president Wilson and the 'new deal', forever compromised the competitiveness of the message of consistutional liberty, and ushered in a new era of liberal politics.
What's often lost in these left vs. right debates is the other axis of distinction. I think most of you have seen the Nolan chart that posits adding a perpendicular axis to the usual left/right line to represent authoritarian/libertarian leanings. That's the one that matters. Todays liberal and conservative leaders are cut from the same authoritarian cloth. Limited government isn't necessarily a conservative notion. Liberals love freedom just as much as conservatives, and more and more of them are beginning to see the dangers of giving government too much power.
As far as the constitution goes, it's not a really big issue with me. It's not a perfect document and won't protect us at all if we no longer value its principles. It is, after all, just a piece of paper. Don't get me wrong, it's a valuable tool for keeping the government in check, but as we've seen, it only works if the people maintain the will to follow it.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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