Why the Left is so dangerous
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 14:10
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Finn, I have this weird feeling that we're going to keep going round and round unless we find the nub of our discrepancy. You keep using the word "patriotism" to mean something that I'm just not getting, altho I'm trying.
You say that patriotism is love of country. Then you say that attacking the "government" is unpatriotic. But that is only true if you equate "the country" with "the government". What happens in the conundrum that you posed where you love your country but the government is an evil dicatorship? Is is possible to love your COUNTRY but hate your GOVERNMENT? Or does patriotism mean loving your government?
Quote:What kinds of "failure are you talking about? Military? Economic? Moral? Can you give examples of what you mean?
Many others imply it by supporting positions they know would lead to an American failure
Quote:Now here you have totally lost me. I haven't a clue what you mean by "correlating your opinion... with the desire for American success".
And once again you correlate your opinion about how America could be successful with the desire for American success and therefore continue to confuse patriotism with politics.
Quote:Okay, call me clueless but none of this makes sense to me on any level. Do I want my country to go over a cliff, if I perceive it to be so? What do you think I- or anyone- should be doing if we think our government is making a grave mistake? Specifically in Iraq, I am working towards w/drawal. Do you equate that with "defeat" or "change in policy"?
Patriotism is not qualified by a political agenda it is independent of it. You either want America to be successful or you don’t, and then you decide how to go about it. A person can believe that American success hinges on not going to war with Iraq, but once involved in such a war, a patriotic person does not wish for an American defeat to validity their political positions. There is a danger with entwining patriotism with politics. I think some people end up supporting causes they later regret or routing for the US to fail, because they end up confusing their love for their country with their political opinion on policy.
So, OOC I loooked up republicanism on wikipedia which says
Republicanism is the ideology of governing a nation as a republic, with an emphasis on liberty, rule by the people, and the civic virtue practiced by citizens. Republicanism always stands in opposition to aristocracy, oligarchy, and dictatorship. More broadly, it refers to a political system that protects liberty, especially by incorporating a rule of law that cannot be arbitrarily ignored by the government. Much of the literature deals with the issue of what sort of values and behavior by the citizens is necessary if the republic is to survive and flourish; the emphasis has been on widespread citizen participation, civic virtue, and opposition to corruption
I don't find anything is this definition that contradicts my definition of patriotism. If you think that your definition of patriotism los matches this decription then we are clearly reading different things from the same document.
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Jene verrückten Gewehr-toting Nuß-Jobs, die nach rechts sich lehnen, wenn die linksgerichteten kommunistischen Idioten uns Bezahlung für Universalgesundheitspflege jeder Monat auf die folgenden 20 Steuerwanderungen auf Zigaretten und Schnäpsen bilden, die allgemeinen Service nach selbst mit großer Begeisterung nehmen werden, indem sie die Atmung einfacher für jeder bilden, wenn sie Menge von den neuen Bohrungen in den Leuten also im Sauerstoff bilden, können an die Lungen ohne alles gerade gelangen, das das Zeit aufgewendete Reisen durch die Öffnung und die Nase und den Rest der Atmungsschiene....
Jetzt ist es vollkommen!
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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English son....
And not that Benny Hill English either, but the real kind....
The kind they speak in Texas. 
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Citizen, my German consists of two semesters at univerity 35 years ago. What did you just say????
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Quote:Here's something I mostly agree with, I never supported the war in Iraq, I didn't like Bush before he was elected, by the way, but I didn't like Clinton either. I hear not agreeing with the American government 100% makes you an anti-American, so just paint me Castro.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You know I've never thought we should have been there in the first place Cit. I hated on Bush before it was the cool thing to do.
I don't feel one little bit less patriotic for it either.
And when we do finally bring our kids home from the unwinnable "war", it won't be America that lost, but the Evil Administration which decieved the entire world. The faster we get this behind us the better, I say.
God Bless America.
But, you shit on someone elses door step, it's only polite to try and clean it up.
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Quote:Just some crazy stuffs.
Originally posted by SignyM:
Citizen, my German consists of two semesters at univerity 35 years ago. What did you just say????
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Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Citizen, my German consists of two semesters at univerity 35 years ago. What did you just say????
Quote:
By Cit:
Just some crazy stuffs.
That would be my crazy stuff Signy. Citizen is being cute.
He reposted my post in German, and I must say, I don't think he put it in Babel Fish either. Either he has a much better translator, or he has a fine grasp on two languages.
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Quote:Actually it was Babel Fish, most of my german is limited to basic conversation picked up from my time working for the Man in Germany.
Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
He reposted my post in German, and I must say, I don't think he put it in Babel Fish either. Either he has a much better translator, or he has a fine grasp on two languages.
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Was ist mit dem deutschen Herrn douche beutel?
You know? You're right. English is so passe. You're just too cool for school Cit.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Actually it was Babel Fish, most of my german is limited to basic conversation picked up from my time working for the Man in Germany.
Ya don't say....
Babel must do a much better job translating from English to German than vice versa...
(Try putting that German back into English now.)
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