Why the Left is so dangerous
POSTED BY: AURaptor
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 14:10
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Pretty much like the Las Vegas and Snohomish power plants that were specifically taken offline during a critical energy shortage to allow Enron to jack up energy futures through the roof.
Siggy, via pure accident (I was lookin for something else) stumbled over that WHILE IT HAPPENED, and a friend was in the middle of the rolling blackouts resulting.
I commented on it too, and got called a nutter for it - then went and did some digging, and got REALLY pasted for daring to bash Enron before all that crap came out.
That's what really enrages me about this kinda stuff, is that it happens over and over, and until they've been caught out, dragged out in court and downright admitted it, anyone who brings it up is roundfiled as a nutter - one reason you'll prolly never see me bashing PN.
Crazy is watchin it happen over and over, then claimin it's an isolated incident.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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The European Left in the US is very small, but it may be growing, and not just among fruity celebrities, but politicians as well. One of the reasons why the Left is seen as dangerous, I suspect, is because many in the US are not sure how to deal with these new ideas. In the UK, Socialists have existed for a while; their beliefs and goals are better understood, but in the US socialism is a relatively new and untested idea. And when new political theories enter into the political spectrum there is a real danger involved that the end result could upset the balance of power and lead to policies and practices we may come to regret. And that I think is why we need strong criticism of the Left.
The Right represents the establishment and in the US the establishment is a liberal secular federal republic with strong democratic tendencies and rule of law. In my mind, it really isn’t a good idea to start thinking about making large changes to that kind of philosophy, because I truly believe that we are pretty close to the peak and large movements one way or the other could be destructive to our liberty and our economy. The Left represents opposition to the establishment, and I really feel that while Americans may quibble over the finer points, most of us agree that the current system is pretty close to the best we’re going to get right now. So the idea of a large political body in the US, opposing in any kind of real way the current system, is not going to gain a lot of support outside of certain marginal groups.
That being said, it seems to me that a true European type Left may be forming in the US, and I don’t know why, but I’m afraid it is because certain minority opinions are gaining favor due to a disproportionate distribution of ideas.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I don’t think that’s why you get accused of that.
Originally posted by SignyM:
FINN: I have been accused of being an "attention whore" because I ask questions.
Quote:Really? Because it sounds to me like you didn’t read my response very carefully, since I didn’t disagree with your sentiment, I just don’t think you can call it patriotism and doing so I believe is more likely an attempt to add justification to one’s political motivations, then any sort of real application of patriotism. Patriotism and republicanism are not undefined as you insist. They actually have definitions, which you can look up. And if you do, you’ll find that my interpretation of patriotism as a love for one’s country is a far more consistent with that definition then your description as attacking the government.
Originally posted by SignyM:
ETA It sounds to me like YOUR definition of patriotism is a convenient way to forestall criticism of specific administrations. ANY administration is subject to criticism, and the more they fuck up, the more criticism they should get.
Quote:I do know of Liberals who have said as much, but they are generally fruitcakes. Many others imply it by supporting positions they know would lead to an American failure or finding gratification in the failings of America or they imply it by making broad negative generalizations about Americans. Whether this means they lack patriotism, I don’t know, but it definitely seems to imply it. However, these people are often a minority even on the Left in the US.
Originally posted by SignyM:
ETA I don't know of ANY liberals who go around saying "I want my country to be a failure." I want my country to be a success. To me that means a transparent government, self-reliant production and energy, the availability of a decent-paying job for everyone who wants to work, safety from foreign enemies, and environmental stewardship so that generations of Americans after us can continue to prosper. It does NOT mean rampant corporatism. And I don't think we need to sacrifice our ideals in order to meet these goals.
And once again you correlate your opinion about how America could be successful with the desire for American success and therefore continue to confuse patriotism with politics. Patriotism is not qualified by a political agenda it is independent of it. You either want America to be successful or you don’t, and then you decide how to go about it. A person can believe that American success hinges on not going to war with Iraq, but once involved in such a war, a patriotic person does not wish for an American defeat to validity their political positions. There is a danger with entwining patriotism with politics. I think some people end up supporting causes they later regret or routing for the US to fail, because they end up confusing their love for their country with their political opinion on policy.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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The 'left' is so dangerous because those who claim to represent the 'right' (neo-cons) have traded in the virtues of conservatism in exchange for power. In doing so, they've given liberals the ammunition they need to tear down the last vestiges of freedom. Nice going assholes!
SergeantX
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Data mining, the USPATRIOT Act, indefinite secret jailings, illegal wiretaps - these are just the highlights of Bush's reign - brought to you by the supposed 'conservatives' who are busy taking away liberty. You can't blame the 'left' for that. Look no further than the WH.
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Ayup
SergeantX
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Quote:Wanting to leave Iraq would not necessarrily be unpatriotic to America, but would be viewed by some as a defeat.
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
And once again you correlate your opinion about how America could be successful with the desire for American success and therefore continue to confuse patriotism with politics. Patriotism is not qualified by a political agenda it is independent of it. You either want America to be successful or you don’t, and then you decide how to go about it. A person can believe that American success hinges on not going to war with Iraq, but once involved in such a war, a patriotic person does not wish for an American defeat to validity their political positions. There is a danger with entwining patriotism with politics. I think some people end up supporting causes they later regret or routing for the US to fail, because they end up confusing their love for their country with their political opinion on policy.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:
and thus everyone who can be identified as having left leaning politics, as being dangerous
I'll tell you who's dangerous Cit....
Those crazy gun-toting nut-jobs leaning towards the right* when the lefty Communist idiots make us pay for Universal Health Care every month on top of the next 20 tax hikes on cigarettes and booze, who are going to take public service upon themselves in a big way by making breathing easier for everyone when they make a lot of new holes in people so the oxygen can get straight to the lungs without all that wasted time spent traveling through the mouth and nose and the rest of the resperatory track....
*By right, it is meant the real definition of Right... not the redefined Illuminated Globalist NeoConartist Warmongering BigCorp serving right.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Wanting to leave Iraq would not necessarrily be unpatriotic to America, but would be viewed by some as a defeat.
You know I've never thought we should have been there in the first place Cit. I hated on Bush before it was the cool thing to do.
I don't feel one little bit less patriotic for it either.
And when we do finally bring our kids home from the unwinnable "war", it won't be America that lost, but the Evil Administration which decieved the entire world. The faster we get this behind us the better, I say.
God Bless America.
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Originally posted by SergeantX:
The 'left' is so dangerous because those who claim to represent the 'right' (neo-cons) have traded in the virtues of conservatism in exchange for power. In doing so, they've given liberals the ammunition they need to tear down the last vestiges of freedom. Nice going assholes!
Don't think it could possibly be summed up better than that Sarge. We're F'd in a big way when Clinton & Obama run on the same ticket in '08.
That's my prediction right now. They're just figuring out who to put as the frontrunner now.
With the Trifecta of the Female demographic, the Minority demographic, and a universal hatered for the Administration (also religion and Rethuglicans in general), we're looking at the Dems owning the whole show and Communism sweeping from sea to shining sea by 2016.
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