This May Have Been Posted Here, But I'm Foaming at the Mouth Reading This
POSTED BY: 6ixStringJack
UPDATED: Monday, December 24, 2007 20:06
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Originally posted by SignyM:
The REAL sin is that he's black and she's white. Has nothing to do with underage sex. This IS Georgia after all.
Frem, let us know if there's anything we can do to help.
BTW- you might want to check out the "Privilege" thread. There're more examples of similar persecu... I mean PROsecutions... there.
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Just gotta shake my head at the hypocrisy and double standards of the so-called "justice" system...
Prosecutor under fire in teen sex case
By SHANNON McCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer
36 minutes ago
David McDade has handed out some 35 copies of a video of teenagers having sex at a party.
McDade is no porno kingpin, but a district attorney. And he says Georgia's open-records law leaves him no choice but to release the footage because it was evidence in one of the state's most turbulent cases — that of Genarlow Wilson, a young man serving 10 years in prison for having oral sex with a girl when they were teenagers.
McDade's actions have opened him up to accusations that he is vindictively misusing his authority to keep Wilson behind bars — and worse, distributing child pornography.
"This has been a ferocious, vindictive prosecution of Genarlow Wilson," said state Sen. Vincent Fort, an Atlanta Democrat. "What is going on is a vendetta."
McDade, who is district attorney in Douglas County, in suburban Atlanta, did not immediately return calls Thursday.
He has said that while the law required him to release the video, he also believes the footage helps his case — by showing that Wilson is not the squeaky-clean football star and honor student portrayed by his supporters.
"Most of those who do not want people to see the tape know that it's damning to their position," McDade told The Associated Press.
He released the video after receiving an open records request from the AP, and said he has given it to about three dozen people, including reporters, lawmakers and several members of the public who requested it.
It shows Wilson, then 17, receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl and having intercourse with another 17-year-old girl. It was shot at a 2003 New Year's Eve Party at a hotel room by another partygoer.
Earlier this week, Georgia's chief federal prosecutor, U.S. Attorney David Nahmias, said the video "constitutes child pornography under federal law," and he called on McDade's office to stop releasing copies.
"These laws are intended to protect the children depicted in such images from the ongoing victimization of having their sexual activity viewed by others," Nahmias said.
Nahmias' office refused to say whether he would bring criminal charges against the D.A.
Critics say that at the very least, McDade should have obscured the faces of the underage girls to conceal their identity, or sought a protective order to keep the material under seal.
Such steps are common in sex abuses cases, especially those involving underage victims, said Diane Moyer, legal director for the Pennsylvania-based National Sexual Violence Research Center.
"The bottom line is we need to have respect for the victims in these kinds of cases," Moyer said. "To release this kind of thing, to me it's prurient and it takes the open records law too far."
Several Wilson supporters likened McDade to disgraced Duke lacrosse prosecutor Mike Nifong and called on Georgia's attorney general to investigate.
"Mike Nifong lost his license, and if he lost his license, then certainly a district attorney that distributes child pornography ought to be investigated," the Rev. Raphael Warnock, pastor of Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, said Thursday.
State Sen. Emanuel Jones said he would introduce legislation to block district attorneys from handing over photographic images in sex cases.
"I'm going to call it the David McDade Act," Jones said. "Sometimes we have to protect our kids from district attorneys."
Wilson was convicted of aggravated child molestation for having oral sex with the 15-year-old girl. He has served more than two years of a mandatory 10-year sentence.
The law Wilson was convicted of breaking made consensual oral sex between teens a felony. It has since been changed by the Georgia Legislature. But the state's courts have held that the new law cannot be applied retroactively.
A judge last month called Wilson's sentence "a grave miscarriage of justice" and ordered him set free
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I fucked more 15 year old girls when I was 17 years old than this guy....FFF.NET women who fucked you first? 16? 17? 18? think about it........This kid should not be in jail......and if he had to go jail ..he should have at least had a chance to bang that little ho in the ass.....
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Originally posted by kaneman:
That is crazy. Try remembering back to your high school days......How many 17 or 18yr. old seniors "dated" 15 yr. old freshmen?
My highchool days were about 10 years ago, so they are pretty fresh in my mind. I dated a 17/18 year old when I was 15/16 years old. We had a pretty chaste relationship, and I look back on our fun times fondly.
Had we decided to become physical with our relationship, It makes me ill to think that the poor guy would *still* be behind bars had my father pressed charges. Here I'd be, an adult with a college degree, a husband, a few kids . . . and he'd have no life, and he'd just now be getting out of prison.
Statatory (sp?) rape laws are not meant for these types of situations. They are meant to protect naieve kids for not-so-naieve adults. I hardly feel that the 18 year old was preying on the 15 year old.
Thank you.....
Love always kaneman
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Wonder who put the bad spotlight on the DA.....?
What a prick that guy is. What better way to prove you're trying to "protect" those that have said they didn't need your protection in the first place by giving unobscured sex-tapes featuring them away like you're a pissed off K-Fed putting up sex vids of Britney on You Tube for the world to see. What the F?
Is this Underage Georgia Girls Gone Wild? Where were the waivers that the girls should have had to sign before these tapes were distributed? (Assuming that they're now over 18 years old and parental conscent is not an issue anymore)
I'll bet if you look on the bit-torrent sites, it won't be long before you could watch this too if you wanted too, for informational and educational purposes only of course.... 'cause we all need to know what an evil little bastard this kid is so we can understand why he should rot another 6 years with the molesters and murderers and rapists....
3 dozen people, huh? I wonder who the "several members of the public" were that they mentioned. What sort of screening process do these unspecified "members of the public" need to go through before they are deemed mentally fit to have child porn distributed to their households for educational purposes? And for what reason would anybody outside of the courtroom even need to witness any of this?
How would one even go about asking for said material without even being under suspicion of interest and possible distribution in underage porn in the first place? The fucking balls on these perves....
At this point, if there were any neigh-sayers, there should be no doubt in anybody's mind that the boy is just as much a victim as anybody else here.
That son of a bitch should be disbarred, sued by all parties involved in the tape, and thrown behind bars where he can spend the next ten years with child molesters and murderers. If he gets the justice he diserves, somebody will break off a mop handle and give him the Jeffery Dahmer treatment.
Thanks for keeping the light on this subject Frem. It's great to hear the support this kid has even though some people who were "on the fence" before are against him now after seeing the video. Screw them. Who are they to judge anyhow? Georga must be the most sex free state where everyone is righteous, I guess.
I hope to hear more good news about this guys professional and hopefully personal demise.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Thank you.....
Love always kaneman
I'm assuming that you're thanking me for helping to prove your point. You're more than welcome.
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Case Update: Hearing supposedly today, rumor is that the prosecutor is gonna push for a postponement, mostly as a vengeful act to keep Wilson in jail longer, and also in the hopes of the "fickle media" finding something else to talk about, thus lessening the pressure on certain folk over this case - which just *ain't* gonna happen, folks, cause there's a boot planted FIRMLY in his ass, the Judge is gonna more than likely refuse postponement and may even go with summary judgement on the facts and merits of the case, taking into consideration that the law itself that the kid was prosecuted under was badly written and poorly executed to begin with, ergo, chances are 70/30 that Wilson walks today.
Best of luck, Kid...
Related article follows, written in a laughably fawning and apologetic tone..
"Oh, we're so sorry we lynched him, but teens are evil and stupid and kinda deserve it because they behave like capitol hill republicans and we gotta send a message this is unacceptable for the peons..
*snark*
Anyhows, Justice isn't a passive thing, sometimes folk gotta see it done, and sometimes folk gotta push the boulder even if they didn't start it rolling, and without namin any names, a LOT of folk have done good solid work here for no personal or financial gain of their own.
So a big thanks to those many unnamed folk, and a big piss off to a certain author who thinks altruism is societies greatest evil, Grrrr.
-Frem
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Story URL
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0720/p02s01-usju.htm
Georgia's high court hears a case Friday concerning merits of a 10-year sentence for a sordid but unforced act.
By Patrik Jonsson | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor
Even after a judge last month deemed Genarlow Wilson's 10-year prison sentence "a grave miscarriage of justice," the state of Georgia has kept him locked up.
Twenty-eight months ago, a Douglas County, Ga., jury found the former star athlete and high school scholar guilty of aggravated child molestation for having oral sex, as a 17-year-old, with his girlfriend, then 15, at a videotaped hotel-room party on New Year's Eve in 2004.
On Friday, the Georgia Supreme Court will hear an appeal by the state attorney general, who seeks to uphold the sentence.
The case, experts say, confronts the legacy of race-conscious justice in the South, as well as how attitudes toward teenage sexuality are evolving, or not, in the Bible Belt.
The court's ruling, if it favors Mr. Wilson, could even impel 1,300 other men serving long jail terms in Georgia for similar offenses to appeal their sentences.
"Those critical [of the prosecution] see it in terms of broader social ramifications and changing norms, but to [the district attorney] it's more about what happened in the hotel room," says Ron Carlson, a law professor at the University of Georgia in Athens (UGA).
Wilson's case has stirred enough of a ruckus to spark legislative reform at the statehouse. Earlier this year, Georgia lawmakers tempered tough state molestation laws by passing a "Romeo and Juliet" provision that takes into account similar ages of perpetrator and victim.
To keep the case moving forward and preserve the state's reputation, the Supreme Court moved Wilson's court date up by two months. The court is scheduled to address the merits of the so-called habeas corpus ruling in June that deemed the punishment unjust. Also at issue in the appeal: the subsequent denial of a bond hearing in Douglas County, where Wilson was originally tried.
Such actions by two branches of government indicate that prosecutors may have overreached their bounds in the case, says Donald Wilkes Jr., also of the UGA Law School.
The moves "tell us they're concerned," and that the sooner justices address it "the less Georgia will appear to be the medieval laughingstock to the rest of the country, and indeed the world," says Professor Wilkes.
How many blacks view the case
For many African-Americans in the US, the case represents a form of arcane justice in
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Further Update: Case is heard, no decision yet.
The State's case is utterly asinine (see underlined, below) in that the whole concept seems to be that, yes, we know the law was wrongly applied, and that he was wrongly imprisoned, but we can't *admit* that for it would make us look stupid because we misused it on other people too, you just didn't catch us then.
The Judge knew it was wrong, admitted it, the guy who *wrote* the law (see italics, below) knew it was wrong, the Jury knew it was wrong, but thanks to the distortion of the Jury's role in our "justice" system to no more than a rubber stamp for the court, felt powerless to act as they damned well should have.
This case is a CLASSIC example of why Jury Nullification exists, and why manipulating and misinforming a Jury should be in and of itself a crime.
http://www.fija.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
If YOU should ever find yourself on a Jury, remember this debacle and be reminded that your purpose isn't just to determine whether someone is guilty, but whether the law itself is wrong, being misapplied, or should even BE a law.
The state and it's cronies seem intent on stalling "till it blows over" and hoping that the pressure comes off if they do - make sure it doesn't folks.
-Frem
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URL - http://www.ajc.com/wireless/content/metro/stories/2007/07/20/wilson_07
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Ga. top court finishes hearing Wilson's appeal
By MIKE MORRIS
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 07/20/07
The Georgia Supreme Court heard arguments Friday morning on a pair of appeals in the closely watched Genarlow Wilson case, though no ruling was expected immediately.
The courtroom was packed for the hearing, and arguments were broadcast live over the Internet. The hearing came after justices decided earlier this month to speed up the process in the case of Wilson, the Douglas County man imprisoned for receiving oral sex from a 15-year-old girl when he was 17. Wilson's attorneys argue his 10-year prison sentence is cruel and unusual punishment.
The justices are considering two appeals in the case.
Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker is appealing a Monroe County Superior Court judge's decision to reduce Wilson's felony conviction to a misdemeanor and free him from prison. Baker said the judge overstepped his authority when he granted Wilson's motion last month.
Following the Monroe County judge's decision, Wilson's attorneys requested he be released on bond pending Baker's appeal, but on June 27, the trial court in Douglas County denied the request. Wilson's attorneys have appealed that decision.
B.J. Bernstein, Wilson's attorney, addressed the bond issue first at Friday's hearing, arguing for 10 minutes that her client should be granted bond while his case is under appeal.
"Every day that a defendant spends in jail is a precious day in their life," Bernstein told the justices. Bernstein said that in the past 10 days, "two clients of mine died in prison."
Bernstein argued that the trial court, in refusing bond, improperly applied the criminal appeal bond statute when it should have applied the habeas bond statute, since the Monroe County judge had ruled on a writ of habeas corpus, determining that Wilson had the right to make a claim of cruel and unusual punishment.
However, Douglas County District Attorney David McDade, the original prosecutor on Wilson's case, countered in his time before the justices that state law is clear that "no appeal bond shall be granted to any person who is convicted of a list of crimes, and aggravated child molestation is included in that list."
"It's not vague. It's not gray. It's not subject to interpretation," McDade said. "It is the plain letter of the law that applies in this case."
In its appeal of the reduction of the felony conviction to a misdemeanor, the state has argued that the ruling could open the door for many other sexual criminals to have their sentences reduced.
Wilson's attorneys argued that such fears are invali
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State GOP lawmaker Eric Johnson of Savannah, leader of the Georgia Senate, says he went from having no opinion on the case to a strong opinion in favor of the sentence after seeing the tape. The nature of consent – complicated by the age of the girl and obvious drug and alcohol use – is the core issue, he says.
"When you hear that it's 10 years for consensual oral sex for two kids, you go, 'That doesn't sound right,'" says Senator Johnson. "But when you see the tape, you see ... drugs, alcohol, attitudes, arrogance, and disregard. While it may be consensual, you don't know about intimidation or if she feels obligated. That's why you set an age in the first place where you can make a decision like that."
drugs, alcohol, attitudes, arrogance, and disregard. With or with out drugs and alcohol, much of what teens do and say is full of what the Senator sees. Those things aren't crimes!! As shocking as it may be to HIM, that's pretty much what one can expect from teens and often pre-teens in today's world. Not EVERYWHERE, but it's fairly common.
And why even bring up the issue of intimidation , if you don't know either ?? It's a moot point,imo. How often have teens been caught up in a moment, only to figure out afterwards they might have screwed up? That's kinda the point of being a teen, figure out what in life one likes and dislikes. When it comes to attitudes, arrogance and disregard, I'd hate for my adult self to be judged on what my teen age self did. And I doubt I'm alone in saying that my adult self would like to smack my teen age self around if anyone had taken a video of some of the things that went on. I'm just sayin'.
Free Genarlow!
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The governor should have pardoned this case. The Supreme Court is likely to side with the lower court and release Wilson, which while good for him, could lead to releasing actual rotten people.
Knee jerk reactions about racism aside, the real issue here probably concerns some fairly debasing behavior seen in the video. And children are easily intimidated into doing things they would otherwise not. I don’t know what’s on the tape, but I don’t doubt that if people saw it, it's entirely possible that sympathy for Wilson would erode quickly, especially if you were a father of a teenage daughter.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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