Staying healthy- and misleading
POSTED BY: SignyM
UPDATED: Thursday, January 9, 2025 00:23
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Well, I remember the 'butter' was bad phase; use margarine. O wait, transfat is bad, and margarine is loaded with transfat!!! use Butter! (Luckily, I went with 'use what tastes good, butter' ;-) ) Sadly, most margarines are transfat free now, so I don't know what to do!!!! Wait, I know, 'use butter' ;-)
Seriously, about the only thing I'm clear on is avoidance of transfats. Most of the rest of the stuff seems a bit fadish. I try to eat more 'whole foods' and am, of late, been trying to take organic food when available to avoid the 'nasty chemicals'. But I'm not fanatic about it; and I do eat a moderate amount of junk.
I think one of the key things is to keep weight down to something reasonable; takes the pressure of the feet, ankles, knees and hips. I don't know that I will try to get to my 'ideal' weight of 170 or so, but am aiming for 185 (5'11")
Biggest problem with processed foods is it tends to be high in calories and doesn't keep you feeling full for long; thus you eat more which throws havoc into trying to keep the weight reasonable.
Drink lots of water. Hungry? Try a glass of water. Still hungry? Ok, then eat. I find I do much better if I can stick to that.
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Diet and lifestyle are not independent. I find this to be the most common mistake. There is a diet that is baseline to the American lifestyle, and that diet is high in carbohydrates and salt, but you can’t paint diet with a broad brush and simple fads. It depends too much on your lifestyle and type of foods you’re already eating and are available. You can’t say that avoiding salt or grains is good or bad, because it depends too much on too many other things. You’ll die without salt, but too much will kill you too. You might starve to death trying to eat a diet devoid of grains, but most Americans are so overweight it probably would help them to avoid high calorie foods like grains for a little while.
Although some of these fads are a bit exaggerated, like avoiding fish. This comes as a result that many fish are found with concentrations of heavy metals in them, which because of certain solubility gets trapped in the fatty tissue. And this is all true, but fish is way too important to a healthy diet to allow this to prevent you from eating it. And the concentration of these heavy metals have never really been shown to be that dangerous. So in my opinion, this is much more of an environmental scare tactic then any kind of real health hazard. Eat fish, and eat a lot of it.
A similar thing can probably be said of avoiding the sun. Although in most cases, I think what is meant is to avoid sun burn by using an appropriate sunscreen. Sun burn is not all that good for you, but sun exposure itself is great. It’s actually been shown to be beneficial to mental health as well.
I love pizza too. But I make my own, because I can’t stand that crap that gets passed off as pizza by American pizza chains.
My own diet would be considered quasi-vegetarian. I eat a lot pasta dishes and bread (lots of grains). Oatmeal, almost every morning. I add salt only at the preparation phase, never at the table, but I do end up eating plenty of salt (probably too much). I eat a lot of vegetables, mostly tomatoes, onions, mushrooms, various legumes and peppers. Fresh fruit, everyday (depending on season): peaches, cherries and apples. Fish and shellfish couple of times a week and red meats, very rare. In fact I almost never prepare red meat, although I have no problems eating it if it’s prepared by someone else. In fact I ate it today when I went to may little cousin’s 15th birthday. We ate hamburgers. And I had two. They were great, but it’s not something I eat at home or a part of my daily diet. Also about a gallon of olive oil a month. I consider my diet to be extremely healthy and very easy to maintain because I don’t eat it to be healthy, but rather it is tasty and I enjoy the Mediterranean flavors and culture.
If you don’t like carrots, then you will probably not stay on a diet of carrots. A diet should never be about a particularly type of food or fad, it should be about a lifestyle. If you choose a healthy lifestyle, you’re diet will probably follow, maybe with a little coxing at first.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:I'm sure you weren't thinking of me when you asked.
Originally posted by SignyM:
So... what do YOU think?
Where have "the experts" got it wrong?
My list would, of course, be considered an abominable, sacriligious heresy by most of you guys. But it would include:
Give birth in a hospital. Get treated by doctors and drugs when you get sick. Get vaccinated with everything that the CDC recommends. Get treated for being a woman (stop your periods, take hormones for menopause, get treated for pregnancy). Get a bypass surgery if you have a clot. Wearing seatbelts is definitely safer than not wearing them. Go see a doctor even if you're not sick, just in case you are. Eat from the 4 food groups everyday.
Well, I can go on and on. But I'm gonna duck out before I get stoned.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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Nullius in verba. (Take nobody's word.)
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CTS
"Well, I can go on and on. But I'm gonna duck out before I get stoned."
Yes, any disagreement with you is an attempt to martyr you. Folks, we must all avoid any substantive discussion with CTS as it may kill her.
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Oh yeah, cause heaven forfend she have a point.
After the last damn near unwarranted public stoning, I'd react that way too, probably worse.
Yanno there's a merit sometimes in lettin it ride when someone pushes your buttons, or tries to, just sayin....
Far as the rest of it goes, gramma was likely right when she told you if you couldn't pronounce it, it was probably bad for you.
It takes a lotta personal judgement on the matter, but the research I've done on some of the stuff we put in "food" these days bugs me a lot too.
MSG = Not very nice stuff.
(and worse is how they hide it behind a hundred and more other names.)
Aspartame = Yick, just.. yick.
Sodium Benzoate = Been hearin bad stuff about this, not sure of veracity yet.
Artificial Colors/Flavors = Nasty, substantial evidence linking behavioral disorders in children, not to mention some of it solved with propylene glycol, just icky.
High Fructose Corn Syrup = Glurg..
Not the half of it, and the worst of is that for most of us, there just ain't no avoidin a certain degree of it, not if you wanna eat that week.
Any research at all, even if you discount out of hand 90% of the stuff will still give you the willies.
At least produce isn't a big issue, as I can drive a couple miles south of here and buy it from folks I know... it's nice living next to a partially agricultural district.
But seriously, do your own homework on this stuff and you'll be a little creeped out.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"Oh yeah, cause heaven forfend she have a point."
When she attempts to portray people who disagree with her as stoning her - no, she doesn't have a point.
I'm not sure why she feels so entitled to bland agreement from all sides - and then portrays normal debate as villainous.
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You didn't just "disagree", you went on a bash-fest so vicious and unwarranted that it offended even me, and that took doing.
Disagreements fine, and sure, everyone's got an opinion, but that's not what it was, not by a long shot - or I would not have taken issue then.
Oh bloody hell with it, lemme just get right to the nitty gritty.
ACT YOUR AGE, THE BOTH OF YOU!
This petty snarkfest accomplishes nothing, everybody find a neutral corner and let's get back to the topic at hand. ok ?
And exactly WTF is Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil in simple laymans terms anyway ?
"Mechanically seperated chicken" ??
Almost sounds like a fancy name for roadkill, don't it ?
Even my old friend the Twinkie had a nasty surprise or two for me...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polysorbate_80
Euuugh, doesn't sound very appetising, does it ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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"You didn't just "disagree", you went on a bash-fest so vicious and unwarranted that it offended even me, and that took doing."
No, I pointed out, with references and links, the VERY obvious problems with the arguments put forth. And when CTS repeatedly refused to address those VERY valid issues I pursued them. B/c they are important and you can't change reality by shifting the discussion to your own self-martyrdom.
I would be VERY happy to discuss issues and facts.
The fact that CTS has, yet again, CHOSEN to portray everyone who disagrees with her as a rabble mob out to get her indicates to me SHE is not yet willing to discuss her notions on a factual and NEUTRAL level. Remember, this is what she said - "Well, I can go on and on. But I'm gonna duck out before I get stoned." I think that's code for - don't disagree with me.
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And exactly WTF is Partially Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil in simple laymans terms anyway ?
They take unsaturated vegetable oil (the good kind) and add hydrogen to some of those double-bonds to saturate them (turn them into single bonds). Unfortunately in the process they re-arrange the remaining double-bonds into a non-biological configuration (trans-fats) which your biological self is not equipped to deal with.
"Mechanically seperated chicken" ??
Almost sounds like a fancy name for roadkill, don't it ?
Almost - they use flayers to strip every last bit of meat off the bone - and some fat, some gristle, some bone, some nerve. It's an issue with beef especially since mad-cow comes in the nerves and tissues near the bone.
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Quote:Actually CTS I was thinking EXACTLY of you and hoping you would come out of the woodwork.
I'm sure you weren't thinking of me when you asked.
Just hoping you'd post.---------------------------------
Always look upstream.
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FremD
For the record I buy local organic when I can, and regional organic when I can't buy local. I'm not into industrial- or Fraken-food. If you think my well considered support of SOME of the benefits of science means I endorse everything about it - then you're wrong.
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