Let's talk about Vera

POSTED BY: Zicsoft
UPDATED: Thursday, October 10, 2002 22:15
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LOONYTOON

Sunday, October 6, 2002 10:25 AM

tinytimm, most underwater projectiles are stabilized by a cavitation bubble, therefore would be unstable in a vacuum. I imagine a selfpropelled large bore, such as used in the U.S. OICW(Objective Individual Combat Weapon) is probably what vera was firing. My $.02

P.S. I like Zoe`s 1887 winchester sawed off! Nice to see a sci-fi show with real guns!

TINYTIMM

Sunday, October 6, 2002 11:19 AM

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Originally posted by Ringwraith:
Now all we need is for Jayne to own a Smith & Wesson Model 29.

He seems to favor the Taurus.

Jeff
Who favors the Ruger.

TINYTIMM

Sunday, October 6, 2002 11:23 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:
Aha! Gun enthusiasts will save Firefly from cancellation! I guess I better drop out of the conspiracy to void the second amendment

Sigh. It's already void. Because Gun Grabber Goons like Teddy "No honest Judges in Federal Courts EVER!" Kennedy are banning them piecemeal. Kennedy is a criminal who can't even BUY a weapon in this country. Doesn't keep him from being a Senator though. Strange Double Standard.

Jeff
Who swore an oath to defend the constitution, so did Kennedy.

RINGWRAITH

Sunday, October 6, 2002 1:58 PM

My wife and I were also discussing that and she figured that there would be just enough air left in the suit to fire off one or two more rounds. The air shouldn't all escape in micro seconds.

Thought it was a neat solution (rather low-tech) to a high-tech problem.

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TINYTIMM

Sunday, October 6, 2002 2:19 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:
tinytimm, most underwater projectiles are stabilized by a cavitation bubble, therefore would be unstable in a vacuum. I imagine a selfpropelled large bore, such as used in the U.S. OICW(Objective Individual Combat Weapon) is probably what vera was firing. My $.02

P.S. I like Zoe`s 1887 winchester sawed off! Nice to see a sci-fi show with real guns!

Actually, I was thinking of the HK multi-barrel pistol. With rocket assisted projectiles and sealed against vacuum this might be viable. The cartridges on Vera looked 15 - 20 mm. Spin stabalized rocket projectiles would be my guess.

Jeff
Who notes the cut down Winchester is a bit slow to reload, because she hasn't enough stock to manipulate the lever action quickly.

ZICSOFT

Sunday, October 6, 2002 8:36 PM

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Originally posted by Ringwraith:
My wife and I were also discussing that and she figured that there would be just enough air left in the suit to fire off one or two more rounds. The air shouldn't all escape in micro seconds.

Thought it was a neat solution (rather low-tech) to a high-tech problem.

I would think that if they turned up the air supply all the way, they could maintain enough pressure for Vera to operate even with air rushing out the bullet holes. They could hook up the suit to the ship's air supply and thus not worry about running out.

Interesting that Vera makes such small holes when she obviously packs such a punch. But perhaps the visor material is stronger than anything we have access to.

I still think Jayne should have some kind of case for firing Vera in a vacuum. The muzzle end could have some kind of self-sealing force field, like the bar window in "The Train Job." Perhaps he'll ask Kaylee to rig something up once she's finished patching Saffron's hacks.

Speaking of whom, nobody thought to ask Inara if her academy offers courses in infiltration and sabotage. If not, you have to wonder where Saffron picked up these skills. Or maybe there's more to the Companion Guild than meets the eye!

JOSS, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

ZICSOFT

Sunday, October 6, 2002 8:39 PM

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Originally posted by TinyTimm:
Jeff
Who swore an oath to defend the constitution, so did Kennedy.

Good old Teddie. The poster child for fuzzy-headed liberalism! If he didn't exist, the Right would have to invent him.

JOSS, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

ZICSOFT

Sunday, October 6, 2002 8:54 PM

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Originally posted by loonytoon:
tinytimm, most underwater projectiles are stabilized by a cavitation bubble, therefore would be unstable in a vacuum. I imagine a selfpropelled large bore, such as used in the U.S. OICW(Objective Individual Combat Weapon) is probably what vera was firing. My $.02

Found a link for the OICW (on a Russian site!). Talk about a gun fancier's wet dream.
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm

Two problems with loonytoon's scenario. First, an OICW 20mm round is basicaly a kind of grenade. Not very effective without air to propage the initial explosion. Second, Vera's muzzle seems to be much smaller than that. But I suppose if you were going to design a weapon for smashing electrodes on a huge deep-space device, a large-bore kinetic-round rifle would be just the thing.

JOSS, WHERE'S MY CHECK???!!!

REXRAYGUN

Monday, October 7, 2002 7:33 AM

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Originally posted by Zicsoft:

I still think Jayne should have some kind of case for firing Vera in a vacuum. The muzzle end could have some kind of self-sealing force field, like the bar window in "The Train Job." Perhaps he'll ask Kaylee to rig something up once she's finished patching Saffron's hacks.

I just watched the episode again, and they did, in fact, mention such a case, but Jayne simply did not have one. I think he might want to pick one up the next time he comes across one, to save on suits.

Rex!

LOONYTOON

Monday, October 7, 2002 10:55 AM

zicsoft, what I ment was that a selfpropelled, barrel imparted, spin-stabilized round would be the most effective. I think the gyrojet pistol or carbine would be just as ineffective in space as on the ground. The reason being this. On a round that is spun by rifling in the barrel, manufacturing defects on the barrel will effect every round the same way, while with a round like the gyrojet that is spun by canted gasports on it base, its flight will be effected by the slightest defect, so every round flys a bit differently. Not a good thing in space where distances would regulurly be well over several miles. And no exploding round short of a nuclear weapon could operate very efficiently in space.

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