Ron Paul - Help Wanted
POSTED BY: SevenPercent
UPDATED: Friday, August 31, 2007 20:14
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sevenpercent- But part of the reason I'm unsure is because of who on this board supports him. The "Ron Paul Quotes" thread really made me nervous. The only people coming out in favor of the guy were three of the biggest loons on this board: PN, Kaneman, and Antimason. Frankly, I think one's nuts, one's a trolling douchebag, and one's an idiot (place those tags where you think they most apply - even mix-and-match if you'd like).
you know sevenpercent, im actually a little hurt by that comment... although i havent narrowed down whether im the "idiot", "nuts", or the "douchebag"(but ill assume theyre in order).
in our defense, Ron Paul finally vindicates the arguments we've made that their IS an agenda for a global government, and that it is being coordinated by the central banks. i mentioned the illegality of the federal reserve, and the IRS many times, and a lot of people around here outright dismissed my comments as absurd... but now that Ron Paul is speaking out, maybe these subjects will be taken seriously. us "conspiracy theorists" have had concerns about national ID cards, and abuses of the Patriot act and Military commissions act since 9/11, and we've only been criticized... but again, Ron Paul agrees with us 100%!!! so atleast ive been consistent, and im confident as time passes my stance will only be further justified
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Well, Seven, there's the rub...
You have straight-up conservatives that support him because he, unlike the neocons, is actually conservative, and respectful of the constitution in that he believes in limited government.
You have liberals that support him because he values and respects privacy, and plans to rein in and/or eliminate many of the government alphabet-agency shocktroops.
You have libertarians who support him because of the reasons Sarge stated.
Thing is, nobody likes the govt all up in their business, and nobody likes the taxman either, and Ron plans to take corrective action on both of those fronts.
I myself am an Anarchist, with heavy retro-antifederalist leanings, and am willing to support Ron Paul because I can acknowledge that americans in general desire an orderly structure, whether I agree or not - many hardcore Anarchic type would be annoyed with me for supposedly 'supporting the state machinery' but thing is, americans want that framework, and if someone took it down, they'd only put something even less viable back up in it's place, so I will take what I can get, you understand ?
Hell, I don't even have that much of an issue with taxes so long as they are reasonable, used for the public good, and above all, used efficiently - many of my arguments here have reflected this.
Above all, this is a man with tremendous credibility, and a history of putting his vote where his mouth is, thus earning him the title "Dr. No." from his fellow congressfolk.
So when he says he intends to do something, and something in keeping with the views and actions of his entire career - I am thus more inclined to believe him.
And many of the things he is planning to address are matters that piss off the *entire* political spectrum, from the staunchest conservatives, to the most radical liberals, so he has support amongst every single political community, I know I am not the only Anarchist who'd break form and drop a vote for him - hell I plan to do that even if I have to write it in.
Also, he has the knack for getting folks who don't necessarily agree with all of his intent to support him because he is willing to address OTHER concerns held by those folk, I know I do not necessarily agree with all his economic policies, but am willing to give them an honest shot as opposed to the ruinous ones we have now.
In essence, this is a guy who's addressing AMERICAS problems, not one party, not one PAC, not one foreign country who's mostly financing their campaign... but AMERICAS, yours, mine, his, hers... OUR people's problems, and dealing with them as an immediate priority.
And THAT message rings through loud and clear, causing americans in general to support him regardless of current political affiliations.
He plans to address MY problems, and unlike the others promising to do so, has enough history, reputation and credibility to make that claim solid, and thus, he gets my vote.
Simple enough ?
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Some people worry that Paul is too radical for America but remember this, a President needs Congress to pass laws, and unlike Bush, clinton etc. Paul doesn't like Executive orders so he'll use them sparingly. Having a libertarianesque President will balance out the government when the Congress still remains big government, big spending etc. I agree with Gore Vidal in the above quote, but remember when you have a candidate like Paul, (or Gravel or Kucinich) you know he doesn't "want" to be President the same way the establishment candidates do or else he'd be willing to sell out his principles in order to get more votes. since Paul's voting record actually backs up what he says this is proven to not be the case. But my favorite thing about him is that he will vote against something he thinks is a good idea simply because its not constitutional. As SargeX mentioned his stand on abortion. He is very pro-life, but he will NOT try to federally outlaw abortion. people have given him crap because he voted against giving a medal to Rosa Parks, but what they forget is he votes against giving medals in general (though I don't think this includes military medals like the medal of honor which since the military is constitutionally federal he would consider constituional). you don't have to agree with every vote he makes just understand that our freedoms are in danger and we need a president who wants to stop that.
You asked for some links:
Some articles and speeches at LRC http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul-arch.html
Ron paul 2008 http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Daily Paul http://www.dailypaul.com
Texas straight talk http://www.house.gov/paul/legis_tst.htm
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"But part of the reason I'm unsure is because of who on this board supports him. The "Ron Paul Quotes" thread really made me nervous. The only people coming out in favor of the guy were three of the biggest loons on this board: PN, Kaneman, and Antimason. Frankly, I think one's nuts, one's a trolling douchebag, and one's an idiot (place those tags where you think they most apply - even mix-and-match if you'd like)."
I've already been tagged as offensive, so PN must be the nut, the idiot, and the trolling douchebag. Antimason is none of the above. If his religious views make him an idiot in your degenerate dome...fuck you.
Now, as far as you needing help from a bunch of posters on a Sci-fi board in order to decide about RP shows what a tool you are. How you are allowed to teach children is beyond me. Next time you have any questions, you retarded baboon, try this. http://www.google.com/ it is easy to use...I promise.
On a more important note, I hope the next time your boy friend slides a ruler in your ass it breaks off at the 11" marker.... And when you must sharpen the number two pencils for your classes next bubble test, I hope he lines your anus with sandpaper and sharpens them there......Well, unless you would enjoy it.............
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Originally posted by SevenPercent:
Now, I've seen Ron Paul on a few shows now, and I've kind of liked what the man had to say.
I'm a little underexposed to his entire platform, but I agree with you in that "I've kind of liked what the man had to say". He seems to refrain from the canned dribble that most politicians must say in order to not offend anyone. When RP was on Maher, he stated his opinions and backed them up with historical fact, and they made good sense to me. I kept waiting for the spew to start, and it didn't. You gotta love that! I can see why the Repubs feel threatened, and the dems. As for the media...he doesn't seem to have skeletons in his closet, and he isn't in favor of wars for them to cover night and day. Don't let the "he'll never win" and "he's too much of a crackpot" people sway you. They're just worried that they'll no longer be able to sell you what they're selling you now if RP were to become President.
It's amazing how much panic one honest man can spread among a multitude of hypocrites
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Paul has stated that he will run as an Independent... (one o'em in'penents..) and i beleive the odds are staked against him winning the Republican nomination....
i really like his, seemingly, honest approach and could support him if he runs as an Independent...
(sticker is on the jeep already...)
big edit... Paul stated that he will NOT run as an independent...
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He only says that he will not run as an independent, because he is seeking the repub nomination...If he doesn't get it and changes his mind...I'll forgive him.........
Sevenpercent 
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i gotta say Kaneman, that it's a little scary being in agreement with you on Paul.... but not so much that i would change my mind - (so do you really have a heart of gold.... and not coal as i have suspected..?)
the thing is - both parties are really the same - i learned that on May 24th when the Dems caved to Bush and voted for the supplemental funding bill... they had their chance to stand up and they failed - they failed everyone who wants to end the war in Iraq and they failed everyone who elected them last November to do just that...
i regret all the donations i have made to the DNC, DCCC and various congressmen seeking election or reelection... i have stopped supporting the Democratic cause competely... and have sent donations to Ron Paul's campaign... i have supported many failed canidates in the past so why change now..? Men like Paul are not made in the mold of many of the career politicians that have ruined our system of government (IMO)... and they never seem to get the support of the people who they want to help the most - it's all about the 30 or 60 second sound bite anymore - many folks make snap decisions on who they will vote for on the basis of these stupid talking points and not the real issues -
i hope, for the future of this country, that people will wake up and realize that if they choose either Republican or Democrat, they are asking for more of the same status quo of the past.
We need a viable third party in this county to counter the other two.
I hope Paul runs as an Independent. I will vote for him.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I've already been tagged as offensive, so PN must be the nut, the idiot, and the trolling douchebag. Antimason is none of the above. If his religious views make him an idiot in your degenerate dome...fuck you.
I suspect that it's more the conspiracy theories then the religion (though the two overlap sometimes).
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I've already been tagged as offensive, so PN must be the nut, the idiot, and the trolling douchebag.
No. You pretty much fit trolling douchebag. This post is just another example.
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Antimason is none of the above. If his religious views make him an idiot in your degenerate dome...fuck you.
Degenerate? There's a good one, coming from someone who routinely posts gay sex fantasies in response to other people's posts on this board. If I was a degenerate, I'd probably be tagged as, oh, I dunno, offensive? But I havent been. Somebody else here has been though...wonder who that is?
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Now, as far as you needing help from a bunch of posters on a Sci-fi board in order to decide about RP shows what a tool you are. How you are allowed to teach children is beyond me. Next time you have any questions, you retarded baboon, try this. http://www.google.com/ it is easy to use...I promise.
I don't need help to decide about him, I want to know more about him from people who already have an opinion on him. I understand how google works, numbnuts; I want opinions and reasoning. I can easily track a voting record, it's a lot harder to track the why of the voting record. I'm looking for people in the area he's represented or for opinions of people who've followed his career over the years. I'm also tracking commentary on a number of other sites and places.
Unlike you, you festering, pustulent, pea-brained boil on the ass of humanity, I like to make informed decisions, not just read one link and make up my mind. I like to consider things for a while. It even took me two or three of your posts to decide you were an ignorant troll (shouldn't have taken me that long, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt).
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On a more important note, I hope the next time your boy friend slides a ruler in your ass it breaks off at the 11" marker.... And when you must sharpen the number two pencils for your classes next bubble test, I hope he lines your anus with sandpaper and sharpens them there......Well, unless you would enjoy it.............
Nice. Good imagination you have there. It's okay to come out of the closet, Kaneman.
Oh, and instead of replying to a second post of yours?
right back atcha.------------------------------------------
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