Ron Paul - Help Wanted

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KANEMAN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:33 PM

This video clip sums RP up in 8min.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 2:52 PM

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Originally posted by leadb:
Reading thru this and other sites, my guess is he would tend to not take much action regarding trying to retain jobs in the US; I believe he would indicate that a 'free market' is the best overall long term economic approach.

That's true as a principle, but the key issue here is how much we indirectly subsidize corps moving offshore - specifically through our foreign policy which fights to protect corporate interests in other countries. I'm pretty sure RP's point of view would be that if companies want to take advantage of the lower labor costs (or whatever else entices them) from moving offshore, they'd better be willing to take their lumps if the country nationalizes their holdings. We certainly shouldn't ask our soldiers to die for corporate profits.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 3:56 PM

“Here comes the Bandwagon…” it’s so much fun, everyone wants a place on it… until the wheels fall off and then no one wants to help push….

It pays to do your homework – I have to admit that I saw in Dr. Paul, an honest and reasonable man who seemed to have answers to the questions I was asking… until I found a few things that seem to have been swept under a rug in a dark corner of the closet…

Some informative reading on Dr. Paul - as well as links to further information can be found here:
http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-of-hour.html
(a liberal blog, sure, but information that cannot be disputed..)

example:

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Through the 90s, Paul was also a regular on the far-right talk circuit. He spoke to Texas secessionists in 1995 on the "once and future Republic of Texas"; has appeared on a radio program affiliated with the Council of Conservative Citizens; and is a frequent speaker at John Birch Society functions -- the group has given him a perfect 100 in its legislative rankings. These days, those who monitor CCC, David Duke, and Stormfront say they can't get enough of him. They know he's one of their own.

plenty more where that came from…

Now, I have no doubt that some of you here, hell, maybe a lot of you, will have no problems with this stuff….. me, well let’s just say that I may be looking for the wagon to slow down a bit so I can jump off…

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 4:27 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
Now, I have no doubt that some of you here, hell, maybe a lot of you, will have no problems with this stuff….. me, well let’s just say that I may be looking for the wagon to slow down a bit so I can jump off…

Yup... that'll happen. The libertarian ideology doesn't have wide appeal in this country. Not yet anyway. But I do think a lot of people are beginning to see the dangers of big, centralized government, especially in the excesses of the Bush administration. The Democrats no doubt think this is merely a problem of leadership. Some of us think there are serious problems in the basic concept of strong centralized government.

One thing though. I don't think it's accurate to call his ideology 'far-right'. In many ways it's more liberal than most of the Democratic platform.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 5:50 PM

The reason some of those kooks like RP so much is the same reason anyone else does - he doesn't wanna legislate what they think, feel or believe.

Sure, you think they're kooks and racists, hell, so do I - but the underlying REASON most of them folk like him, is that unlike most do-gooder politicians, RP draws the line at one's ACTIONS, rather than attempting to invasively make other peoples decisions for them.

Just because some people you do not like support him, does not mean he supports them or their agenda, it only means THEY like him, and often for reasons that have jack damn all to do with their ideology.

You don't see me baggin on the guy because christians support him, do ya ?

That's cause he respects their right to believe as they wish, AND mine to believe as *I* wish, in spite of the fact that we may disagree with each other over it.

He also votes his duty even when he does not necessarily agree with the concept, for which I personally, have tremendous respect for the man - he does the right thing even when it costs him something.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Just because some people you do not like support him, does not mean he supports them or their agenda, it only means THEY like him, and often for reasons that have jack damn all to do with their ideology.

Frem, you make some valid points. Of course I don’t write off Dr. Paul simply because I do not agree with some of his supporters. Even though that support comes from people like David Duke, Larry Pratt and Pete Peters (leader of Christian Identity, a white supremacist organization). However it certainly concerns me that Paul does very little to distance himself from these types, and concerns me even more to think that they may hold some influence on his political leanings.

I refuse to believe that my own political ideology could even remotely cross paths with groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens, John Birch Society or any neo-Nazi, white supremacist organization. And if this is the base that Paul hopes to pander to, I cannot support his candidacy.

“Speaking Truth to Power” is the popular catch phrase being so over-used these days, but I’ll admit that when I hear someone go against the grain of the current administration or their ineffectual opposition (the Dems), I pay attention to that speaker – Ron Paul has done something that few candidates are willing to do, he has become the anti-candidate – someone neither party wants to acknowledge and indeed may be just a little afraid of… Paul’s campaign is effective because it connects with a group of citizens, including myself, who feel that the two major parties have failed this country. His straightforward message seems to ring true. But until he addresses his past ties to the above-mentioned groups and his intentions regarding their political aspirations, I will remain skeptical.

SERGEANTX

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 10:06 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
But until he addresses his past ties to the above-mentioned groups and his intentions regarding their political aspirations, I will remain skeptical.

What ties are you talking about? As far as I know (and as far as I can google), Ron Paul has exactly nothing to do with David Duke. Where are you getting this info? Neo-Nazi???

Edit to add:

There was a really good op-ed piece done back before the 2004 election that focused on the growing divide between (for lack of better words) conservatives and liberals. The interesting bit was how the article traced the roots of the divergence back to the early periods of settling the country. The currently political divide breaks roughly along that original divergence between puritan pilgrims and political revolutionaries.

Interestingly, what made it work for so long was the commitment to freedom shared by both groups. As long as 'live-and-let-live' is held above other concerns, we're able to get along in a pluralistic society. But that ethic has been fading for some time now. Your reluctance to support someone you agree with, merely because people you disagree with also support him, is indicative of the polarization we're living through.

I think Ron Paul's ability to draw from such a wide range of people is a strength. His message is one that recalls the 'live-and-let-live' ethic that served us well for a very long time. I think a lot of people are beginning to realize that freedom for you and yours depends on your willingness to grant that freedom to others, even those you don't like or agree with.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

MALBADINLATIN

Tuesday, June 5, 2007 11:01 PM

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Originally posted by deadlockvictim:
Even though that support comes from people like David Duke, Larry Pratt and Pete Peters (leader of Christian Identity, a white supremacist organization). However it certainly concerns me that Paul does very little to distance himself.

Dead......it's not like RP has Skinheads going door to door campaigning for him. He can't help it if idiots and wackos like what he says, when something makes plain sense to everybody, wackos will like it too. And to take the time to "distance" himself from them only calls more attention to it. Thats what his oponents would like. I'm dissapointed that you would fall into the discrediting RP rhetoric. RP is the only one NOT spewing electioneering BS!!!! I knew it had to start sooner or later I guess........No offense Dead, I quit smoking 4 days ago and I'm testy.

DEADLOCKVICTIM

Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:09 AM

Serge & Mal… anyone else offended by my post – the material I found about Dr. Paul came from a liberal blog, namely Orcinus, here: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2007/06/man-of-hour.html and at first I took at as just a left wing smear, but after following some of the links I was able to access some pretty ugly, hard core white supremacist web sites.

Another Liberal blog, DailyKos has a series of stories on Paul.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/124912/740

I don’t know who the hell phenery is (not a Ron Paul fan for sure), and I am not a regular visitor to Kos, but going through the material and following links provided, is disturbing, at least to me – and look I don’t like this any more than you guys – I would like for Dr. Paul to be the real deal, a good guy we could support, and for many of you he may be, all I’m saying is we need to be careful who we put our trust in before learning as many facts as we can about him. We’ve had one major fuck up in Washington long enough; I just hate to make that mistake again.

I am not going to judge Paul on these accounts alone. I will do what I can to disprove phenry’s attack on Dr. Paul, but the more you dig the dirtier you get.

Don’t shoot the messenger – and Mal, good luck with kicking… you can do it.

SERGEANTX

Wednesday, June 6, 2007 2:25 AM

I'd read the newsletter quotes from the eighties that had racially questionable comments and they don't set well with me. Dr. Paul has addressed those and made clear that he is no way a racist. Take that as you will. I'm still hopeful about the guy. Regardless of other mis-steps that may come to light, his political philosophy is the one our country is most in need of. And it's far, far closer to my idea of righteous government than anyone else we've heard from.

As far as the rest of the insinuations, they seem to be only that. Dr. Paul can't prevent David Duke or far-right Christians from liking his message. The fact that such a wide variety of people do appreciate what he's saying - from left wing peace activists, to right wing fundamentalists - speaks to the universality of his politics.

OH, and I wasn't offended by your post at all. Thanks for commenting!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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