Wash & Book Resurrected: How?
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UPDATED: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:25
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CHANNAIN wrote:....I am crotchety veteran ....
Hmmm, my ears are burning. Did someone mention my name?
Seriously, we all know Joss was capable of this sort of plot twist. What was that quote of his? "Every week Mal would kill someone we liked.... and their puppy."
I actually liked the way Wash was killed off, mid-quip bang crash. No reenactment of the final scene of Pyramus and Thysby Reminded me of how Star Trek Next Generation killed off Tasha Yar. Quick, simple no melodramatic act of bravery just one sudden event.
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I was devastated when Wash died. He was one of my favourite characters. Still, I think him magically coming back to life would feel very ungenuine....like it was tacked on to please the fans. What's so great about Firefly is it's ability to seem so true to life in such an unrealistic setting...and, unfortunately, death is a huge part of life.
"Give me religion and a lobotomy."
Beulah Land-Tori Amos
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It’s pretty simple ( and I got this from Joss himself. We are buddies and since no one really knows who I am I’m safe)
Anyhoo the reason Wash and Book are still alive is because Serenity never happened. It was a dream sequence experienced by the entire crew. Well all but River. See in the OIS eps. Jubal Early realizes that leaving the balance of serenity’s crew alive after he hooks up with River to deliver her to the authorities is not a good idea. They will be sure to come after him. With this in mind he sets off a dream bomb causing the entire crew to sleep and have the same nightmare. Then he sets the ships controls to fly into the nearest sun. When River sees Early exit the ship she allows him to get within ten feet of the Earlymoble and having mastered the controls zooms off outta reach. Early is now hopelessly floating in space and River returns to Serenity and awakens the crew. Course since she is a young woman of mystery and secrets she withholds reality from her crew and lets them go on thinking what they will. So in reality Serenity never bombed at the box-office because there was no BDM.
Just the answers,Z
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
It’s pretty simple ( and I got this from Joss himself. We are buddies and since no one really knows who I am I’m safe)
Anyhoo the reason Wash and Book are still alive is because Serenity never happened.
SNIP
So in reality Serenity never bombed at the box-office because there was no BDM.
Just the answers,Z
Oh, well, NOW we know!
How foolish of me to worry.
On an anonymous tip I can now sleep at night.
thank YOU!
Mike
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Originally posted by Veteran:
Hmmm, my ears are burning. Did someone mention my name?
Oddly enough, I thought of you when I wrote that.Veteran
how ya doin', handsome?Quote:That's kind of what I've been trying to say, but I didn't have that nice, shiny quote. Leave it to you to reduce my ramblings down to one line with an elipsis.
Originally posted by Veteran:
"Every week Mal would kill someone we liked... and their puppy."
Quote:I believe Alan Tudyk said much the same thing on the fan video. I've only seen it once at a local Shindig, though, so I'm not claiming it as law.
Originally posted by Veteran:
I actually liked the way Wash was killed off, mid-quip bang crash. No reenactment of the final scene of Pyramus and Thysby Reminded me of how Star Trek Next Generation killed off Tasha Yar. Quick, simple no melodramatic act of bravery just one sudden event.
Then again, what else does a fella say after his most beloved character has been killed? Someone asked me once if seeing all the pre-screenings made that part of the movie easier. My answer?
No.
Doing the impossible makes us mighty
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Originally posted by zzetta13:
It’s pretty simple ( and I got this from Joss himself. We are buddies and since no one really knows who I am I’m safe)
Anyhoo the reason Wash and Book are still alive is because Serenity never happened. It was a dream sequence experienced by the entire crew. Well all but River. See in the OIS eps. Jubal Early realizes that leaving the balance of serenity’s crew alive after he hooks up with River to deliver her to the authorities is not a good idea. They will be sure to come after him. With this in mind he sets off a dream bomb causing the entire crew to sleep and have the same nightmare. Then he sets the ships controls to fly into the nearest sun. When River sees Early exit the ship she allows him to get within ten feet of the Earlymoble and having mastered the controls zooms off outta reach. Early is now hopelessly floating in space and River returns to Serenity and awakens the crew. Course since she is a young woman of mystery and secrets she withholds reality from her crew and lets them go on thinking what they will. So in reality Serenity never bombed at the box-office because there was no BDM.
Just the answers,Z
HAHA, this is the best so far! One plot whole, however, is that everyone was already awake when Jubal got sent on his little space swim... But that could always be part of the dream... :)
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Channy,
I'm doin' great. Thanks. It's hard to be crotchety with a warm reception like that. 
The only bad feeling I have about Wash buying the farm is the that when it looked like they might make Serenity, Alan sent Joss the call back button from Out of Gas with a note saying something like "in case you need me." I found that gesture to be a great display of loyalty. But how was he rewarded? His character was sacrificed to the plot....of course it was a great scene. Maybe that's enough.
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Who said they *found* let alone *burried* Wash's body?
In a place crawling with reavers a missing body would not be unexpected: the "funeral" shot could be a memorial service.
Wash *can* be brought back. And I think should. However it could not involve the serenity crew who obviously think he is dead. I dont think the abduction by a 3rd party is impossible. Perhaps for imformation about River, or what he knew of Book's past, or perhaps Inara's murky past? Who knows...
Bringing back wash would be beneficial to the story, his death was irrelevant (beyond the "what did you think? They were all bullet-proof" point).
Book is a little more difficult to bring back, his death was pivotal and had great weight. I also think the "flashback" approach could be employed effectively.
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Wash is not really dead.....so we don't need no resurrection.
Trueblue is on to my thinking.
When the crew was forced to leave serenity and fight the last battle, they were most likly gone for an extended period after. The Alliance troops and operatives would not let them just waltz back to their ship with out a debriefing of some sort. As those things go....probably it went on for hours and hours. When they did go back to the ship, and did not find Wash still pinned to the chair, they would assume that he had been taken either by the Alliance troops or by the Reavers (for un-named purposes) ick. Either way they assumed he was dead, so they went on with a "memorial" service. Watch your DVD's closely - the service is for ALL the people that died. the video memorial cylinders, on the un-named planet DO NOT appear to be graves. they are not big enough.
Taken by someone yes, but not the reavers as the crew thinks. No, it was the Alliance...but by accident. Put on your combat hats now and Read on.
When there is a battle, there are always the combat troops, and the back up folks. The Alliance troops that poured off the Operatives ship would have been backed up by medics and other personel to triage and clean up the casualties. In the aftermath, the medics would have been going around the area and collecting injured or the dead. Because Wash was not a reaver, they would have taken Wash dead or alive back to the medical facilities or their morgue. reavers bodies are burned by the local planet sanitation dept. anyway, when the crew got back to the ship, the last place they are going to go is to the Alliance to see if Wash was there. Even if they did, they would have received the buracratic run-around because Wash would have been a john doe to the authorities. So, they assume it was reavers that took 'um, and they go about their service. imagine how pissed Zoe is about that.
so how to I figure our Wash is not dead?
Look at the Serenity video again. This is the CSI part. Look at the angle of entry of the spike. While it could be perceived to be going directly in to the heart, it looks in fact to be lower, and thus going into his stomach. While this would sever the main artery to his torso, causing him normaly to bleed to death, the impact was so fast and clean that the spike caused the cauterization of the artery. thus rendered him in Shock, but not dead. Notice in the scene there is no blood? the spike seems to go through him out his back, where again there is no blood, so we have the severd spine to deal with. but I have worked this out too.
So our poor Wash, comes too and the place is crawling with Reavers and Alliance troops, he's trapped, can't move his legs, no one is there to protect him and yes he is dying slowly. What next? Chapter II
AutumLeaf
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Jewel Staite actually let slip at a convention how we're going to see them again (at least how we would have if the prequel Joss has in his mind and discussed with the cast is ever made): the first five minutes of the film are something dramatic (she didn't say what but boy did she want to) and then the rest of the film is flashbacks showing how it came to that point. Hence we could see Book/Wash in flashbacks from some point prior to the BDM.
Wash and Book died - I don't want any fake comebacks to cheapen those deaths.
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