Organise the revolution-for all FF fans
POSTED BY: Anduine
UPDATED: Sunday, May 13, 2007 22:26
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I love this fan site, obviously. But I have to think that there are maybe 250 different people who visit a day and that's probably a stretch. However, from my experience that doesn't even touch the real base of fans.
In my own experience, I know 8 people besides myself And I've only been a fan 2 1/2 months) who would love to see the show come back--would pay money to see the show come back and none of them are ever going to come to this site unless they get an invite that piques their interest.
I'm guessing there are past fans who are registered at this site who no longer or rarely visit. Many would be glad to be informed of something they could do. Is one notice asking them to check out the site really offensive?
Sheesh, I get between 10 and 20 spams a day. Probably every month or so, I'll get one that interests me--usually from some site that I've registered on. I'd rather not get the rest but (other than the porn ones) they don't bother me much.
What is unethical about a one time advertisement --for something they have shown interest in?
Again, I'm probably clueless but...
To paraphrase Kaylee: Whedon's Firefly is just so lush. I want to take a bite out of it all over, you know?
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Originally posted by Anduine:
I agree! Thanks for the reality check. The only question I have is in regards to the spam and ethics comment to me? I dont think I made any mention of spamming. Or I'm guessing it's regarding my comments to buy an email list (which I dont think is as effective anyway).
I'm against sending out an unsolicited email, which is what you've been talking about (at least partially). This is the very definition of spam. So, you have been talking about sending out a spam email even if you believe it to be innocuous. As I've stated above, I find this an unethical thing to do, and I'm not alone in this opinion. There is an entire section of the IT industry working to prevent such things.
But, I must point out that I'm _only_ saying that this /idea/ is unethical. *Not* making any judgments on your character (I think that's what you were getting at, yes?).
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But I especially like the comment about keeping under the radar until you've got something that will work and is credible and shiney.
Thanks
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But hey for everyone out there...this is just brainstorming. I think we're getting a bit of a pulse or barometer with all this. So keep the idea's BOTH pro and con flowing!!
Indeed!
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"We don't fear the reaper"
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Simanuki,
Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Personally I agree with you on unsolicited email anyway. So thanks for making it a point. It's good one.
cheers
Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt
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I love this fan site, obviously. But I have to think that there are maybe 250 different people who visit a day and that's probably a stretch. However, from my experience that doesn't even touch the real base of fans.
Very true.
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Originally posted by redhead:
In my own experience, I know 8 people besides myself And I've only been a fan 2 1/2 months) who would love to see the show come back--would pay money to see the show come back and none of them are ever going to come to this site unless they get an invite that piques their interest.
That's where word of mouth comes in.
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I'm guessing there are past fans who are registered at this site who no longer or rarely visit. Many would be glad to be informed of something they could do. Is one notice asking them to check out the site really offensive?
Yes.
But, I'm going to have to point out that you're assuming that /most/ people would be happy to get such a message. Are you sure that's a good assumption? B/c not many people are participating in this thread. Even relative to the estimate that 100 different people visiting this site daily.
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Originally posted by redhead:
Sheesh, I get between 10 and 20 spams a day. Probably every month or so, I'll get one that interests me--usually from some site that I've registered on. I'd rather not get the rest but (other than the porn ones) they don't bother me much.
Spam being common place is _no_ justification to further the problem. Also, those site usually (if they're ethical) have a check box that when checked, means you opt in. This is typically checked by default on registration and usually goes unnoticed during registration. You can typically turn it off in user settings after registration though.
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What is unethical about a one time advertisement --for something they have shown interest in?
It's unsolicited. I did mention that it's also illegal in several places, yes? People don't make such things illegal if people don't mind them.
Again, there /will be/ a difference between what you call worthy emails and what others think. Are you willing to take the risk of alienating people? Especially since every piece of evidence says that most people will get pissy or ignore? And it's those pissy people that can cause some real damage to any campaign. Even if they are a very small percentage.
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Also sorry for hacking your handle.
Time for a recap and focus. Also have been getting pm's from some of the group. Fantastic comments!
I will just try and go through the points that got the most reaction that I have noticed.
Have gotten quite few enthused discussions regarding putting together a newsletter. This is a brilliant discussion. And personally I think it may fill a huge gap.
A lot of talk about posting an ad. Perhaps there's something already being done we can throw weight behind.
Email campaign to get a FF marathon on SciFi. This is something in the works we can get organised behind. The benefits are massive, plus we'd all like to see it anyway.
And of course ultimately what can be done to get the series picked up and/or sequel to the BDM.
Lastly what can be done to support what's out there.
I think that at least covers the major topics. Everything else can fairly much fall within those. If I've missed anything let us know.
This thread is going beyond what I had imagined. So keep it coming!!! I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I've learned a great deal and met some absolutely brilliant people.
I'm just tossing all of this out so we dont get bogged down.
Steps are in process to organise. More later.
cheers!
Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Anduine:
Simanuki,
Ok. Thanks for clarifying. Personally I agree with you on unsolicited email anyway. So thanks for making it a point. It's good one.
cheers
Good good
Regarding the mailing list. Here http://www.freelists.org/ is a place where we could get one going. That is if people agree on having a mailing list
But, even if a mailing list is created, we should post progress updates at the forums from time to time. Might catch new people with them as well if they see progress is being made
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Its great seeing the idea for a newsletter being bounced around, but I would like to point you guys in the direction of
The Cortex
http://community.livejournal.com/the_cortex/
The Signal
http://signal.serenityfirefly.com/
and the news sections found on all of the main Firefly boards,including this very board.
While not everyone visits these forums daily, I can assure you that word of mouth does spread. Last year a "Buy Date" was set and brought Firefly annd Serenity into Amazon's top ten, I could not find a single set of Firefly or Serenity on the shelf in any store I checked all over town, and I can assure you there were empty places where the discs had stood.
I want to say welcome to the new folks and its soo wonderful to see such enthusiasm, I wanted to pipe up and let you know that us "veterans" are still holding the line, Welcome to Serenity Valley, you folks are our Angels.
Please check out what this fanbase has done in the past, and I Assure you there are multiple projects in the work all over our 'verse.
Keep Flying and Stay shiny!
Browncoats are the shiniest folks in the 'verse
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Red and Sigmanuki,
Also I do want to point out that while I think that unsolicited email isnt outrageous and does have it's mertits, I don't have an opinion on the ethics of it. Sorry, just never much gave it a thought.
However my point is that you get a much more effective list by building it through buy in by your audience. In other words if I sign up or toss over my email I'm more likely to read and respond to something I get.
Your site (Sigma) is a good source for building. Any fan site dedicated to FF is also another forum for the interest. ONCE something is established and we've got something to show.
For myself I'll be happy for 12 good people that will commit to sifting, discussing, organising, and acting on a solid plan. Looks like we have that at the very least outta this thread.
In a year from now we could be burned out. As has been mentioned this is another push like so many that have gone on before. That's what endears me to all of us Browncoats, is that after years we still keep trying, and trying, and trying. I noticed on the SciFi forum there were alot of comments about how this fan base is extremely hard core. Stargate was beat out by FF as the best show on their OWN website!
And each time we push a bit more happens. Like a movie. And each time we burn out another comes along to do it again...and again.
Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat.
Theodore Roosevelt
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Yep and those are great sites (I didn't know about the Cortex but I've bookmarked and will be a regular). However, we need a way to reach people who don't check on the sites but are interested in the actual BDS/BDM without being the kind of people who check in regular.
Looks like there are some serious objections to emailing inactive members-- so what else can we do?
We need some publicity and the screenings are bound to give some but what can we do to increase public awareness of the shows?
Actually I think we have a shot at upping the public's awareness of Serenity with the BBC poll
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6517155.stm
I was impressed by the British people's response to the SFX poll. Maybe we would get some similar response. BBC is mainstream and respected. Even a throwaway poll like this could get us quite a bit of attention if we won. However the vote count looks down again. Leadb would probably be able to give the particulars on that.
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Thanks Artcat! Good links.
You're right. There's tons bein done out there and many have held the line before. Massive thanks to all of them and yourself.
We're working on the best way to funnel this enthusiasm, and we've some plans.
One last bit. In both sites am I correct that this is by visit only and not a send out type newsletter (electronically or othrwise)? And the Cortex listed itself as a 'closed' community?
Thnaks for your excellent comments!!
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