Season 8 #3 (Spoilers)
POSTED BY: daveshayne
UPDATED: Saturday, May 19, 2007 16:55
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Rootin' for the X man Chrisisall
I'm all just taking it as it comes along. I find it fun to speculate however.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Better late than never, I finally got my copy. Only read it once so far, so repeat readings will be necessary to pick out some of the details missed the first time around, but:
-- Ethan!! I love Ethan! So psyched to see him back. If Joss skims thru any of these types of message boards, I'm sure he got the reaction he was looking for when #2 came out: "The dream guy--it's gotta be Angel! No, it's Spike! No, it's Xander! Dracula! Riley! Umm... Parker? (Okay, probably not.)" Instead it's a big 
from Joss. I was kinda almost expecting something similar with the kiss to wake Buffy up: four weeks of intense speculation, then Willow says, "Nah, this is easy," and waves her hands a couple of times and takes care of it just like that.
-- The image on page 3: yeah, that's just wrong. And come on, forget the naughty nurse thing--why is Buffy fully clothed? If you're gonna throw something like that in there for the ladies, remember us guys too and at least make her as naked as the two of them. 
-- The whole 'Who kissed her?' thing... I mentioned Willow as a possibility last month, but dismissed it (for 95% sure; I'll hold back on that last 5% because you never know what Joss might do) since with Willow (and Andrew?) in the mix already, I don't see Joss adding to that by putting his lead character in a same-sex relationship, as well. Then it's dangerously close to becoming "The L Word". I'm gonna guess (tho I don't feel too confident in it... yet) that it's Xander, and it was just kept secret to set up the possibility of them getting couply in the future, but keep it on the back-burner for a few issues while other stuff is dealt with.
-- Speaking of Andrew, I gotta ask: Is it common for girls to sit around playing strip poker where the only guy involved is a sexually-ambiguous former (okay, current) great big nerd? 'Cause if it is, from a guy's perspective: Geez, some really cool stuff really DOES go on behind our backs... 
-- Didn't Dawn 'smoosh' Amy? I mean, it sure looked like she squashed her like a bug... and then in the next panel she's fine. So did she just pin her down while Willow could bind her, or what?
-- Great that the 'boyfriend' turned out to be Warren. Even tho he was one of my suspects (my main theory was Rack), it still managed to be a surprise. Love the way he's drawn, too--probably the most detailed bit of artwork yet.
-- On that note, I'm getting used to this art style. I wouldn't say it's growing on me, but I'm getting used to it. At least it doesn't bug me and jump out as 'cartoony' the way it did at the start.
-- Seems like there's a lot more to wrap up in just one more issue, so I'm curious to see how Joss'll pull it off.
Okay, now, I have to go read it again! 
Those dream sequences are so like "Restless" that I think it's gonna take multiple run-thrus to try to make complete sense out of them...
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I think there's a bit less to deal with following this issue than the previous ones. I reckon we are starting to see the groundwork for some long term arcs coming into place.
1. The Military - the symbol on the generals chest, and the two dead army looking fellows from issue #1 with the same symbol carved into their chests. Part of the same group? Almost certainly. Now we will see if there is a separate agenda for the military (or perhaps a private organisation - not really any indication this is the US miltary yet? Correct me if I'm wrong) and for the general (who may bear some unknown grudge), or whether the US really is gunning for the slayers.
2. Ethan - here we have the morally ambiguous ally we previously had in Spike/Angel. A good guess is he is being held in the same detention facility as Warren/Amy and that is how he got the info to help Buffy. I think we will be seeing more of him in non-dream form.
3. The Kiss - I don't buy it as Willow. No Freakin' Way! That is a route I cannot see Joss going down, raises too many questions about the Willow/Tara relationship. My guess - everybody closed their eyes for the kiss, Willow performed some teleportation mojo to bring in whoever it is (take your pic from past Buffyverse characters), they did the kiss and got teleported out of there. Would explain the whole 'Shut your eyes' thing nicely. 'Theres someone in this room who loves Buffy' = red herring. Of course it could be a double red herring and its Xander all along.
4.Three X's Ethan wound up in Buffy's dream? Xander starts with an X! Could be a reference to 30 in roman numerals - a major, MAJOR, development in issue 30 in a similar manner to "Little Miss Muffet counting down from 730" from 'Graduation Day'. I quite like this idea to be honest! And trains in both ends?! Joss, you rascal.
5. Giant Dawn - My guess is that this will be resolved in the next issue. It would be a nice ending to the little introductory arc, and Willow seems to be on the ball as it to how it happened, having guessed it was a thricewise uninformed.
6. Warren/Amy - not sure if they are going to be the big bads for a long time. I could see one or more of them getting killed in the next issue. I don't see how a witch who is less than powerful than Willow (bit sneakier tho)who now routinely brings people back from the dead (sadly) and a skinless nerd being the master villians for this season. My outside bet for a big bad? Riley.
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
1. The Military - the symbol on the generals chest, and the two dead army looking fellows from issue #1 with the same symbol carved into their chests. Part of the same group? Almost certainly. Now we will see if there is a separate agenda for the military (or perhaps a private organisation - not really any indication this is the US miltary yet? Correct me if I'm wrong) and for the general (who may bear some unknown grudge), or whether the US really is gunning for the slayers.
We didn't get to see any of the general this month, so there's really nothing new to speculate on beyond the first two issues, but going back to something I said last month, I was very glad to see the reveal of the creepy symbol on the general's chest. That points to him having something supernatural and 'on-the-side/under-the-table' going on, some hidden reason for wanting Buffy eliminated. The reason I was pleased to see that is because based on what's been shown of the US military previously on Buffy&Angel, it doesn't make sense that they'd suddenly view Buffy as a terrorist threat. Someone to be monitored now that she has a 500-strong army of supergirls under her command? Yeah. But in the Jossverse, the government knows all about vamps&demons, so it stands to reason they know about the Slayer and what she's all about.
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3. The Kiss - I don't buy it as Willow. No Freakin' Way! ... My guess - everybody closed their eyes for the kiss, Willow performed some teleportation mojo to bring in whoever it is (take your pic from past Buffyverse characters), they did the kiss and got teleported out of there. Would explain the whole 'Shut your eyes' thing nicely.
Interesting theory. Reading it for the second time, I noticed the perplexed 'Huh?' look on Xander's face (like "Hey, I didn't even do it yet!") and the big smile on Willow's. So was she smiling just because Buffy was awake, or because she had something to do with it? No, I don't believe she kissed her, either, but maybe solved it some other way? Yeah, possibly...
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
My outside bet for a big bad? Riley.
And here it starts with the Riley-hating.
No seriously, I can see your point. But I think that if he is brought in as a big bad, I don't think it will be permanent. Riley knows enough about how the slayer thing works that he'll catch on to the situation eventually.
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Quote:I still like the lug.
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
And here it starts with the Riley-hating.
(Just now re-watching season 4)
Finnisall
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Hey, has anyone wondered too deeply yet about Warren, and how he's alive? Did Amy magickally resurrect him after he died, or did he just pass out after Willow flayed him and get spirited away to where Amy could keep him alive thru magick? 'Cause if he never really died, then how much does that detract from Willow's character and all the anguish she went thru afterward? (The only other person she actually killed was Rack, who, I hate to say because I think he's a great character, almost doesn't count.) Also, if Warren never died, then there's a big continuity problem, 'cause then the First shouldn't have been able to appear as him in S7.
I'd like to be able to say, "Oh, I don't believe Joss could ever make a continuity mistake like that!", but hey, it's happened before. That major? No. But...
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...in the Buffy finale, Angel says, "It's the First, right? The ancient power that tried to convince me to kill myself?" No, Angel, it wanted you to lose your soul and kill Buffy, and you decided to thwart it by killing yourself.
Or in AtS S5Ep1, Wesley recognizes Spike right away, even tho, at least as far as we've seen on-screen, they've never met.
So yeah, I believe Joss could possibly have goofed it here, with Warren. Guess we'll have to wait for the next issue to know for sure, tho...
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Didn't Willow flay him, have a wee chat with Buffy and Xander, and then burn him up? Or am I making things up....
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Warren died thru magicks, and was brought back the same way is all.
Flayed Chrisisall
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Originally posted by Groosalugg:
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Or in AtS S5Ep1, Wesley recognizes Spike right away, even tho, at least as far as we've seen on-screen, they've never met.
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Wesley used to be a Watcher, so of course he would know who Spike is, and very likely to know what he looks like. Wesley pretty much memorized the entire Watcher casefile on Angelus (in Souless he said that he studied Angelus when he was sent to Sunnydale, and knew exactly what country Angelus had been in in a certain year when it was mentioned), and in season 2, he knew lots of facts about Darla and Drusilla without meeting them first. I would imagine he knew just as much about Spike as the others in the "family".
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