Another Heroes thread
POSTED BY: singate
UPDATED: Thursday, May 3, 2007 17:38
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President Sylar certainly has a nice ring to it, that was one of the greatest reveals in TV history. There is one thing I'm confused about. If Sylar didn't already have Claire's healing ability how is it he regenerated when Hiro stabbed him? Must be one of those paradoxes writers box themselves in whenever they mess with time travel.
For the first time on the series I lost some respect for Peter. Seeing him with Jessica made me naseous. I was hoping she would be dead in the future but no it had to be Ando and Micah. I guess we still don't know where Peter gets the scar since that clearly wasn't the result of his battle with Sylar. That wound looked like it may have been made by a sword. How is it he would even have a scar what with him possessing Claire's healing ability? Oh right, in that reality he never saved Claire, yet somehow she was still alive. Damn time travel.
The interactions between the two Hiros and Ando were hysterical. Past Hiro refusing to talk to himself because his future self scared him was too good to be true.
Seeing Peter cut loose with full control of his abilities may have been the highlight of the show. I was a bit confused near the end when he and future Hiro were wary about the Haitian blocking their powers. Hiro I can understand but I didn't think Peter's abilities could be blocked since he should be able to use the Haitian's power as well. Perhaps this is his Achilles heel. Too bad we didn't get to see more the fight at the end. Things literally lookded to be heating up, maybe they blew up the city for a second time.
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Originally posted by singate:
President Sylar certainly has a nice ring to it, that was one of the greatest reveals in TV history.
I just knew there was something wrong with Nathan. The way he was acting, his flippant attitude towards genocide, his behavior in general were just too dark for Nathan. I could see him acting like that if Peter had died or something along that lines, but not the way they presented it.
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There is one thing I'm confused about. If Sylar didn't already have Claire's healing ability how is it he regenerated when Hiro stabbed him? Must be one of those paradoxes writers box themselves in whenever they mess with time travel.
You know I didn't even catch that until after the show went off. I was thinking about his reveal and him opening up Claire to take her power and suddenly it dawned on me. Wait, didn't Hiro say that Claire was dead and that Sylar had taken her power to regenerate. Then it occured to me.....Hiro's message from the future to Peter on the subway: "Save the cheerleader, save the world". Peter did save Claire and Mrs Petrelli and Mr Bennett had her hidden so Bennett's employers and Sylar could not find her. Yet saving her did not prevent Sylar from dying when Hiro stabbed him? Why?
So, I thought about it. Did Hiro stab him fatally? Did he stab Sylar at all? Think about it. We know now from future Peter that it was him, not Sylar, that went nuclear in NYC and destroyed part of the city. Could it be that he was going nuclear and was unrecognizable and Hiro stabbed him thinking it was Sylar? Peter has Claire's healing ability so he would not die from such a wound. Could future Hiro had it wrong all along and he was trying to fix the wrong problem?
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For the first time on the series I lost some respect for Peter. Seeing him with Jessica made me naseous. I was hoping she would be dead in the future but no it had to be Ando and Micah.
Actually he is with Nikki. Jessica appears to be dead, Nikki just uses "Jessica" as her stage name. Remember how Peter tells her in her dressing room that Jessica is dead and when she looks in the mirror the only reflection she sees is her own? Seems Jessica died in NYC too. Not sure how that works since Nikki & Jessica share a body, but there it is.
Also it appears in the future that DL & Nathan are killed by Sylar who took their powers. Could it be that Sylar killed Micah and Ando too?
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I guess we still don't know where Peter gets the scar since that clearly wasn't the result of his battle with Sylar. That wound looked like it may have been made by a sword. How is it he would even have a scar what with him possessing Claire's healing ability? Oh right, in that reality he never saved Claire, yet somehow she was still alive. Damn time travel.
I am thinking the wound is a sword scar. In my above theory, Hiro strikes Peter with his sword while he is going nuclear, believing it is Sylar. It is my belief that Hiro shows up only after Peter is set to blow thinking it is Sylar and strikes with his sword as his future self instructed him. This results in the wound on Peter's face. We also know Peter survives because he has Claire's ability. It could be that while using one ability he can not use another. I don't recall seeing him use two at once. Could it be that his building up the nuclear power to blow limited or cancelled out his healing ability?
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The interactions between the two Hiros and Ando were hysterical. Past Hiro refusing to talk to himself because his future self scared him was too good to be true.
Very good writing on the banter between Hiro and Ando. Their interactions are great and as Peter surmised I do believe it is the loss of Ando in NYC that turns Hiro into this darker version of himself.
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There was one thing I was slightly confused about. When Peter and Nikki were talking, they mentioned D.L. and Micah dying in the explosion. But then when Future Hiro went to visit Bennett, he asked for a list of people that included D.L.'s name. So what exactly happened? Why would D.L. go into hiding without taking Nikki (unless she was still Jessica at the time)? Is it possible that Micah wasn't really dead, and D.L. took him away? Lots of ponderables there.
Otherwise, cool episode. Peter and Future Hiro kicked all ass. The only person I was really disappointed with was Matt. Somehow he ended up being the exact opposite of the person he is now. For that matter, most of the Heroes ended up that way.
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Claire was the most glaring paradox/gaffe in the whole episode. If Sylar had her regenitive powers, that means he must have already 'killed' her, 5 years earlier. So, I guess that Sylar doesn't eat the brains, but just looks at them. So then somebody (Bennett?) must have popped her brain back in the pan, poped on the skull and let Claire do the rest. Or it was a big stupid gaffe.
Then if Peter didn't go down to Texas to save the cheerleader, then he doesn't have her regenitive powers and therefore can have scars. It also means that he took a different path in learning his powers, since he would not have survived the fall into the taxi.
Just some loose thoughts...
* Linderman spoke of people that used their powers for personal gain. Could he have been talking about Mr. Petrelli senior? What about Hiro's dad?
* Linderman has the power to heal. Nathan's wife is in a wheelchair. Could this be used as leverage?
* If millions of people dying in a NYC explosion is not enough to get Hiro to focus his power, do you think Ando and his own deaths could finally motivate him? Time should be no concern for him. He can go back in time a few years and just practice.
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Quote:Hiro didn’t stab him and Sylar didn’t blow up New York. That was the result of Hiro tampering with the timeline. By having Claire saved from Sylar, he altered the timeline in such a way that it did not prevent the explosion in New York, but changed the person responsible for it. There are two timelines existing simultaneously, which you’re right doesn’t make any sense, but that is the consequence of Hiro meeting himself in the future. It’s a paradox. In Future Hiro’s timeline he stabbed Sylar, but Sylar regenerated because he had killed Claire, but when Hiro went forward 5 years, he was no longer present to stab Sylar, but the timeline had already been changed so Sylar was no longer the threat since Claire was still alive, but the bomb still went off because now Peter was the catalyst, but since Hiro had missed the last 5 years of that timeline he was no longer present to stab peter and ... I’ve gone cross-eyed.
Originally posted by singate:
President Sylar certainly has a nice ring to it, that was one of the greatest reveals in TV history. There is one thing I'm confused about. If Sylar didn't already have Claire's healing ability how is it he regenerated when Hiro stabbed him? Must be one of those paradoxes writers box themselves in whenever they mess with time travel.
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Exactly. Or, to clarify:
Timeline 1:
-Sylar kills Claire and gains her healing factor.
-Sylar also kills Ted and gains his powers.
-Hiro-1 stabs Sylar, possibly compelled both by the death of Claire and of Ando.
-Sylar regenerates and blows up New York.
-Hiro-1 builds his "timeline" and goes back in time.
Timeline 2:
-Hiro-1 warns Peter to save Claire (thus erasing Timeline 1 from existence).
-Peter prevents Sylar from killing Claire.
-Hiro-2 jumps to the future.
*present*
-Sylar eventually finds and kills Ted.
-Hiro-2 doesn't have the opportunity to kill Sylar (because he doesn't exist at that time).
-Sylar nukes New York.
-Hiro-2 arrives in the future.
-Hiro-1 returns to the future and encounters Hiro-2. Hiro-1 dies. Hiro-2 returns to the present.
Timeline 3:
-Hiro-1 warns Peter to save Claire (thus erasing Timeline 1 from existence).
-Peter prevents Sylar from killing Claire.
-Hiro-2 returns from the future of Timeline 2.
*present*
-Sylar kills Ted and gains his ability.
-Hiro-2 kills Sylar. New York survives.
Relativistically:
-Hiro-1 sees Ando die, tries to kill Sylar, and is foiled by the healing factor.
-Hiro-1 travels back in time to warn Peter, hoping to change the future.
-Hiro-1 returns to the "new" future, and finds that he didn't fix everything.
-Hiro-1 dies after Matt shoots him.
Hiro (or Hiros, I guess) seem(s) to be temporally neutral; meaning that he can change the past and remain unchanged themselves.
Ideally, Hiro-1 would have returned to a "fixed" future, but would still have remembered Timeline 1.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
There was one thing I was slightly confused about. When Peter and Nikki were talking, they mentioned D.L. and Micah dying in the explosion. But then when Future Hiro went to visit Bennett, he asked for a list of people that included D.L.'s name. So what exactly happened? Why would D.L. go into hiding without taking Nikki (unless she was still Jessica at the time)? Is it possible that Micah wasn't really dead, and D.L. took him away? Lots of ponderables there.
Remember. Up until Bennet sees Wireless laying dead on the ground, we are led to believe that Matt is just a good guy playing a bad guy. Especially since we know that Bennet has hidden Parkman's family away for him
When we see Wireless, we now know that Matt is truely evil (subjective, to be sure) and it is VERY likely that Matt turned over DL and the others to President Sylar.
Also, lets not forget that Sylar actually acquired Eden's power. Although it was assumed that when Eden blew her head open, Sylar would not get her power, we were enlightened in ".07%" that he DID indeed get her power when he commanded Issac to "SHOW HIM". This may very well be why Matt Parkman is so evil - Sylar "telling" him what he needed to know to turn against his own.
A great episode to be sure!
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I see your point, but how would Nikki know that he's dead? Unless he faked his death in the blast and then went into hiding.
*sigh*
Time paradoxes give me a headache...
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Originally posted by singate:
There is one thing I'm confused about. If Sylar didn't already have Claire's healing ability how is it he regenerated when Hiro stabbed him? Must be one of those paradoxes writers box themselves in whenever they mess with time travel.
He's demonstrated extreme toughness before, shaking off bullets and drugs. In the comics it showed that the bullets do hurt him and he doesn't seem to just regenerate like Claire. I think he's just super-tough like say spider-man, not invincible not regenerating just tough.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
There was one thing I was slightly confused about. When Peter and Nikki were talking, they mentioned D.L. and Micah dying in the explosion. But then when Future Hiro went to visit Bennett, he asked for a list of people that included D.L.'s name. So what exactly happened? Why would D.L. go into hiding without taking Nikki (unless she was still Jessica at the time)? Is it possible that Micah wasn't really dead, and D.L. took him away? Lots of ponderables there.
DL is dead. Sylar killed him because we see Sylar use DL's phasing power to reach through the door to grab Peter and pull him into the hallway.
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