Warning Signs

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Originally posted by piratenews:
If this escort/stripper/prostitute is lying about sex, then she has zero credibility about Cho's real personality...

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EVERYONE lies about sex. Just sayin'

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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Mental health issues revolve around two critical points: funding and involuntary commitment. I've seen involuntary commitment abuses, one was the involuntary commitment of a girl who had an abortion when abortions were illegal. The other is funding: NO program will work, whether it's community health centers or Federally-run institutions, w/o the proper funding. But the vision of ready involuntary commitment coupled with lack of funding raises the nightmare of the "insane asylums" of old, where people of various pathologies -or none- are thrown together in desperate situations and ignored ad infinitum. (Kind of like our jails today.)

It would also be useful to try and understand WHY we have so many pathologically violent people in our culture. If you look at Death Row prisoners, about half of them are brain damaged or mentally ill: fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), in utero exposure to other drugs, childhood abuse, accidental head trauma, schizophrenia, mental retardation, severe depression.

I think it's perfectly useless- and therefore perfectly idiotic- to apply phrases like "evil" or "bad" to people who commit heinous crimes. It's about as useful as saying "It's the devil's work" and blowing holy smoke at them. When I first about heard about Andrea Yates - when everyone was gasping about what an evil mother she was- my first reaction was to wonder what the hell went wrong with her.

That is not to say that there shouldn't be consequences. But I have to say that incarceration doesn't seem to be very effective consequence.

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I personally believe it's b/c the US has an essentially sociopathic economy/ culture. You see the fallout effects on brain organization and development most where the effects are most felt - the poorest and least powerful.

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Mental health issues revolve around two critical points: funding and involuntary commitment.

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And they're both so intertwined. Back in the late '60s my psych class went to a mental hospital on a field trip, and it was pretty grim. On the other hand, here in DC I see plenty of folks who were "mainstreamed" out of institutions, and who don't have the ability to take care of themselves, let alone get medication or other treatment on their own. Every winter they freeze to death on the streets because it's illegal for social services to take them to a shelter if they don't want to go.


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Sig and Rue seem to have nailed the salient points, with a nod to Geeze here.

The question is, what to do about it ?

My thought is that early intervention is utterly critical, and we should make Child Protective Services something more than a lame joke, but that runs into another can of worms I don't have time to go into at the moment.
(And upon serious investigation touches on some ultra-creepyness of the PN stripe concerning CPS TX and FL, but that for another thread, please..)

Anyhows, I am in full agreement with Vachss on this, we need to get serious on the "Front Line" because clean-up after the fact doesn't solve the problem - preventing the trouble in the first place does.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Originally posted by SignyM:

It would also be useful to try and understand WHY we have so many pathologically violent people in our culture. If you look at Death Row prisoners, about half of them are brain damaged or mentally ill: fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS), in utero exposure to other drugs, childhood abuse, accidental head trauma, schizophrenia, mental retardation, severe depression.

I think it's perfectly useless- and therefore perfectly idiotic- to apply phrases like "evil" or "bad" to people who commit heinous crimes. It's about as useful as saying "It's the devil's work" and blowing holy smoke at them. When I first about heard about Andrea Yates - when everyone was gasping about what an evil mother she was- my first reaction was to wonder what the hell went wrong with her.

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Are you saying George Bush is a madman (to quote Tony BLiar's memo that's currently on trial)? Are you saying he's braindamaged or schitzo? Or is a serial killer cured when his bodycount reaches over 600,000? After all, he was a member in a Satanic narco human-sacrifice cult in Brownsville Texas / Matamores Mexico, as seen on Court TV this week ("Springbreaks from Hell"), led by a wealthy Mexican drug dealer, Adolfo Jesus Constanzo. Bush Jr was a member of this cult, investigated for the ritual serial killings by the attorney general of Texas, during Bush's cocaine and DWI conviction years.

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Spring Break

Still, the two remained in jail while detectives quizzed a caretaker at the ranch. The caretaker readily named other members of the Hernandez drug syndicate as frequent visitors what was known as Rancho Santa Elena. Another one-time visitor was none other than Mark Kilroy, identified from a school photograph. In custody, Serafin Hernandez freely admitted participating in Kilroy’s abduction and murder--one of many committed over the past year or so at Rancho Santa Elena. The slayings were human sacrifices, he explained, executed to secure occult protection for various drug deals. “It’s our religion,” Hernandez explained. “Our voodoo.”

Hernandez identified the leader of his cult--El Padrino, the Godfather--as Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo, a master practitioner of the African magic called “palo mayombe.” It was Constanzo who ordered the slayings, Hernandez explained, and El Padrino who tortured and sodomized the victims prior to killing them and harvesting their organs for his ritual cauldron.

Police returned to the ranch with Hernandez in tow. He readily pointed out the cult’s private graveyard and then when asked, used a shovel to unearth the first of 12 bodies buried in a tidy row. All the victims were men. Some had been shot at close range and others hacked to death with a machete. One of the bodies was Mark Kilroy, his skull split open, his brain missing.

www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/weird/constanzo/1.html

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The only convicted serial killer who won survival on death row thanks to governor Bush Jr was cannibal pedophile Henry Lee Lucas. His cannibal pedophile partner was Ottis Toole, who confessed to chopping the head off Adam Walsh, son of John Walsh of America's Most Wanted TV show. But prosecutors refused to allow prosecution of Lucas for the murder of Adam Walsh. Lucan and Toole were employees of CIA's Black Hand narco death cult of mindcontrolled assassins. It's alleged by police that John Walsh was a drug dealer in the Bahamas, and his son was deliberately targeted as retaliation, for daring to compete with the CIA in the drug trade.
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/03/henry-portrait-of-bush-s
upporter.html

Bush is also a member in the Satanic human sacrifice cult at Bohemian Grove, as proven in courts by Senator John deCamp. Bohemian Grove is where Hunter S Thompson videotaped snuff kiddie porn before blowing his brains out the week "Jeff Gannon" came out of the Bush White House closet.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=6497462494231069386&hl=en-GB

For the Butcher of Bagdad Bush to go to Virginia Tech and fake the eulogy is like massmur

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The question is, what to do about it ?

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I still think there's much to be said for addressing the gauntlet that these kids are forced through. It's hard for most of us to remember, once we're out on our own, but the overwhelming feeling these kids get in school is that they will never find a place in the world. We present to them a bizarre 'Lord of the Flies' social dynamic and tell them it's their salvation, that it's the way the world is. They need to know it's not real. They need to know there are other options.

I'm not convinced that all, or even most, of what's happening in these cases is a matter of inborn insanity. There's a distinct different between innate mental illness, and those who've 'cracked' under pressure. Obviously, and thankfully, most people have a breaking point a good bit higher than the Chos of the world, but the fact remains - they are pushed into corners and they can't see a way out. Our educational system turns up the volume on this kind of problem, rather than alleviating it.

Cynical adults see this as somehow tempering the kids for a demanding world. I don't buy it for a minute. It took me years to 'unlearn' the lessons of my schooling, years of anger, bitterness and lost opportunity trying to deal with a world that seemed insane. Worse yet, it was a world that wasn't even real. The socialization that public schools provide, in my opinion, is the worst possible sort and is directly contributing to these tragedies.

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

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THE FUKIN NEWSZ 20 APR 2007

V Tech Headlies with Deek Jackson: Cho's MKULTRA brainchiped killing spree

www.surfingtheapocalypse.tv/satire.php

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Do YOU exhibit warning signs?

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VIDEO: Are YOU a Manchurian Candidate?

By Dr Nick Begich PhD, whose Congressman father was "disappeared" and assassinated during Watergate, along with Congressman Hale Boggs, who was on the Warren Magic Bullet Commission. Nick Begich's brother, Mark Begich, is the current mayor of Anchorage, Alaska.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2497840938718341112

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Begich

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Did the campus cops test Cho for a brainchip? Could the campus cops find their head up their ass?

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"Mr. Chairman: In my letter to you of July 15, 1977, I reported our recent discovery of seven boxes of documents related to Project MKULTRA, a closely held CIA project conducted from 1953-1964. As you may recall, MKULTRA was an "umbrella project" under which certain sensitive subprojects were funded, involving among other things research on drugs and behavioral modification. During the Rockefeller Commission and Church Committee investigations in 1975, the cryptonym became publicly known when details of the drug-related death of Dr. Frank Olsen were publicized. In 1953 Dr. Olsen, a civilian employee of the Army at Fort Detrick, leaped to his death from a hotel room window in New York City about a week after having unwittingly consumed LSD administered to him as an experiment at a meeting of LSD researchers called by CIA. Most of what was known about the Agency's involvement with behavioral drugs during the investigations in 1975 was contained in a report on Project MKULTRA prepared by the Inspector General's office in 1963. As a result of that report's recommendations, unwitting testing of drugs on U.S. citizens was subsequently discontinued. The MKULTRA-related report was made available to the Church Committee investigators and to the staff of Senator Kennedy's Subcommittee on Health. Until the recent discovery, it was believed that all of the MKULTRA files dealing with behavioral modification had been destroyed in 1973 on the orders of the then retiring Chief of the Office of Technical Service, with the authorization of the DCI, as has been previously reported. Almost all of the people who had had any connection with the aspects of the project which interested Senate investigators in 1975 were no longer with the Agency at that time. Thus, there was little detailed knowledge of the MKULTRA subprojects available to CIA during the Church Committee investigations. The 1963 Inspector General report on MKULTRA made available to both the Church Committee and Senator Kennedy's Subcommittee mentions electro-shock and harassment substances (pp. 4, 16); covert testing on unwitting U.S. citizens (pp. 7, 10-12); the search for new materials through arrangements with specialists in universities, pharmaceutical houses, hospitals, state and federal institutions, and private research organizations (pp. 7, 9); and the fact that the Technical Service Division of CIA had initiated 144 subprojects related to the control of human behavior between 1953-1963 (p. 21)."
-Admiral Stansfield Turner, Director of Central Intelligence, U.S. Senate Hearing on MKULTRA, 1973
www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/index.htm

"QKHILLTOP was a cryptonym assigned in 1954 to a project to study Chinese Communist brainwashing techniques and to develop interrogation techniques. Most of the early studies are believed to have been conducted by the Cornell University Medical School Human Ecology Study Programs. The effort was absorbed into the MKULTRA program and the QKHILLTOP cryptonym became obsolete."
-U.S. Senate Hearing on MKULTRA, Appendix C, QKHILLTOP DEFINITION, 1973
www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/e1950/mkultra/AppendixC.htm

"The concepts involved in manipulating behavior are found by many people both within and outside the Agency to be distasteful and unethical. Nevertheless, there have been major accomplishments both in research and operational employment. Over the ten-year life of the program many additional avenues to the control of human behavior have b

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