Warning Signs
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Sunday, April 29, 2007 19:28
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FremD
You are one of the few people I KNOW I am comfortable with the idea of owning a gun. But in your argument to keep them accessible you have to account for the idiots and miscreants out there.
How would you weed them out?
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How would you weed them out?
Well, basic background check would weed out a lot of them right there, and in truth does, although the process could use some refinement, specifically to the occasional bogus claims made by pissed off ex's as a retaliatory gesture against CCW holders.
(True, it's uncommon, but such allegations need to be questioned and substantiated quickly, and if found baseless, then expunged.)
Primarily however, I do believe we need a standard competency test, not for mere ownership, but for carry-right, which is something I dislike, but see the need for - for home defense, fine and dandy, but if you're going to carry on person, you really should know what the hell you're doing.
And I don't mean the pathetic one they give the police, many depts satisfy themselves with 8/10 at 10-15 meters, twice a year.
I mean something that covers firearm safety, basic gun handling and retention, proper reloading, fire/no-fire decisionmaking and proper maintainence in addition to mere accuracy.
There's a guy by the name of Ayoob, I think, who really knows his stuff, whom I would have if not design the test, at least get him to put his input on it.
And none of this come back tomorrow with the fee again if you flunk it, you flunk it, you wait a YEAR before you can take it again.
That would prolly sort most of it, in my opinion.
One reason I don't care for the idea of discarding them entire, beyond the fact that criminals will still get them somehow, is that a handgun really does level the field when it comes to self defense, in the hands of a competent user, be it a young vigorous 22 year old, or in the hands of a diabetic 80 year old lady, it's an equal defense against even a determined assailant.
Even so, it's not a magic wand, as the Tueller Drill clearly shows, but it's hands down the second most effective self defense weapon there is.
The first ?
That thing between your ears - use that well enough and you often won't *need* the second.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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Quote:Maybe you should look at the numbers again. The 43 for the UK is prisoners per 100,000, and US 43 is murders per 100,000. The comparable numbers are US:715, UK:43.
Originally posted by RojBlake:
Comparing prisoners per 100,000 (1st number) to murders per 100,000 (2nd number)
United States 715, 43
Prisoners per 100,000 of nations that we know:
UK 43
Really? look at your own numbers.
The UK & US have the same incarceration rate.
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But I see that's been mentioned, never mind.
EDIT again:
Quote:Not entirely true. Most governments control/monitor the things that can be used to make explosives. Buy enough of any chemicals that can be used to make explosives and kindly Agent whatshisname will hear about it.
Exactly, explosives aren't leagal in this country either (without the proper permits) but as I posted earlier you can walk into a grocery store & get the chemicals nessecary to set off a pretty decent size blast.
You know what is really easy to build, Nuclear weapons. Gun type fission devices could be built be an 8 year old, but you have to find the fissionable material first. Good luck
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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By the way as long as we're blaming America first...here's another fact that many people don't like to hear about.
America has one of the highest number of terrorist groups within her borders throughout the world.
One of the "cost's of freedom" I guess. We're so focused on "Islamic Terrorism" that the others are conveniently forgotten about.
The IRA was metioned, at one time the US was one of the best sources of funding, the difference is that it wasn't the US government. The US citizen can do a lot of good, or not. The US citizen has always been good for funding "causes" all over the world.
Again a byproduct of the US stance on "personal freedom", there are costs, many rival groups object. I once attended a concert by the "Highland Blackwatch" & a fight broke out because of the number of IRA supporters outside protesting.
How would we classify that if there would have been a fatality?
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RojBlake - Swords are made to kill, sure, but they're not nearly as effective as guns.
Two incidents spring to mind - two crazy guys walking into schools in England and starting a random attack. The first guy had two guns and lots of ammo. He killed sixteen kids, a teacher and then himself.
The second guy had a machete. He injured a teacher, who successfully kept him from her kids until he was subdued.
Most of the guns out there aren't made for hunting or shooting paper targets. They're made to kill. Who hunts deer with a glock? If weapons like that are going to be available to the public then you have to have stricter controls to stop any yahoo from buying it. Clearly background checks and waiting periods - while a great help - aren't doing enough.
As for Cho's "manifesto" - it wasn't political. It was the demented ramblings of someone who had utterly lost his mind. Even the unabomber's manifesto, which was more political, would fit into this category in my view.
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:Not entirely true. Most governments control/monitor the things that can be used to make explosives. Buy enough of any chemicals that can be used to make explosives and kindly Agent whatshisname will hear about it.
Originally posted by RojBlake:
Exactly, explosives aren't leagal in this country either (without the proper permits) but as I posted earlier you can walk into a grocery store & get the chemicals nessecary to set off a pretty decent size blast.
How is kindly Agent whathisname? He hasn't been calling around to my house so much these days.
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You know what is really easy to build, Nuclear weapons. Gun type fission devices could be built be an 8 year old, but you have to find the fissionable material first. Good luck
http://www.unitednuclear.com
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Here's a warning sign for YOU:
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"The most stunning statistic, however, is that the total number of deaths caused by conventional medicine is an astounding 783,936 per year. Using Leape's 1997 medical and drug error rate would add another 216,000 deaths, for a total of 999,936 deaths annually. It is now evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the US."
—Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; Dorothy Smith, PhD, Life Extension Magazine, "Death by Medicine", March 2004
www.lef.org/magazine/mag2004/mar2004_awsi_death_01.htm
Plus 1.5-Million annual aborticides in USA.
A high percentage of these murders were perped by college students in University "teaching" hospitals.
So medical doctors use their license to kill to genocide over 2.5-million US citizens in death camps every year, with virtual immunity from prosecution by the homicidal republic.
In related news, Hollywood movie shows exactly how Uncle Scam frames innocent shooters, aided and abetted by the Media Mafia, via CIA covert operations.
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VIDEO TRAILER: "SHOOTER"
Starring Jewish stripper "Marky" Mark Wahlberg
www.infowars.com/articles/media/shooter_review_if_you_are_truther_see_
shooter.htm
Note that zero video evidence has been released proving Cho was the actual shooter who fired nearly 250 bullets with expert precision. No surveilance video exists proving Cho mailed the video confessions to NBC.
Just like 9/11, where zero video exists proving any Arab hijackers walked through any airports or boarded any airliners hijacked on 9/11. And half of the "official suicide hijackers" are still alive and giving interviews to BBC News. Many of the others died on US military bases during US Air Force flight training. Bin Laden, FBI, Pentagon, Bush and Cheney all agree on the public record that USAma Bin Laden had NOTHING to do with 9/11.
www.piratenews.org/911con.html
News photos appear to show 2 different Chos. Eyewitness reports testify that the actual shooter was 6-feet tall, but Cho was only 5-foot 8-inches tall. Koreans have roundish eyes, but Communist Chinese have more slanted eyes. Cho NEVER talked to roommates or teachers (but suspiciously did not flunk), yet the video rants were very well-spoken (where did he learn how to talk?).
Why does the Media Mafia claim Cho's family "ran a small dry cleaning business", but Cho and his Ivy League CIA-employed sister graduated from the 2nd wealthiest high school in USA? A high school which produced TWO mass-murdering shooters within 12 months...
As for Joss the Censored Whistleblower (govt's mind-controlled serial killers ie River), everyone here knows Firefly was killed by Fox. But Angel was also killed in sudden death. Coincidentally, Angle's final series-ending episode included Charles Gunn assassinating Senator Hillary Clinton's evil twin - the blonde "Hellspawn" - to snuff "the senator's presidential victory in 2008 and prevent her secret society's Apocalypse to destroy the world"... Starring, of course, the evil Adam "Jayne" Baldwin, in his famous death scene.
www.cityofangel.com/episodes/summaries/ep5_22.html
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ANGLE SCRIPT FINAL EPISODE OF THE APOCALYPSE
Episode 22, Season 5
Title: "Not Fade Away"
Written by: Jeffrey Bell & Joss Whedon
Original Air Date: May 19th, 2004
www.twiztv.com/scripts/angel/season5/angel-522.htm
To join this Black Thorn secret society, it's mandatory to "kill your own people".
Sir Rupert Murdock Jewish Australian Comminist Chinese Knight of the British Empire dines weekly with Senator Hillary Clinton Blythe Rockefeller to discuss her current presidential campaign in 2008.
"Reavers - They MADE them!"
-Wash, Serenity
FIREFLY SERENITY PILOT MUSIC VIDEO V2
Tangerine Dream - Thief Soundtrack: Confrontation
https://video.indymedia.org/en/2007/02/716.shtml
http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=8cd2bd0379340120e7a6ed00f2a53ee5
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www.myspace.com/piratenewsctv
DRI
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Originally posted by RojBlake:
By the way as long as we're blaming America first...
That phrase always make me chuckle.
So how did this turn into a US vs. Other Countries argument? And why does anyone give a rat's ass?
The one thing I've read here that makes total sense is the notion that Cho was a terrorist. That much I'm in total agreement with. And we should treat these schoolyard terrorists in exactly the same way that we should be treating the Islamic terrorists - in other words, not at all like we currently are.
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
As for Cho's "manifesto" - it wasn't political. It was the demented ramblings of someone who had utterly lost his mind.
Have to disagree there. It was absolutely political. Most of these school shootings are. That fact that he'd lost it doesn't change that fact.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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Nope, SergeantX, I don't buy it. Okay, I didn't watch the whole video, but of what I saw he didn't even make any political statements. He just ranted about spoiled brats who had "brutilized" him in various ways.
I'm curious though. What makes you think his video was political? And forgive me if I don't reply - have to leave here in a minute.
EDIT: While we're on the subject of labels, how come Piratenews isn't tagged? As offensive, I mean. Not awesome. *Haken's so gonna kill me for that*
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
Nope, SergeantX, I don't buy it. Okay, I didn't watch the whole video, but of what I saw he didn't even make any political statements. He just ranted about spoiled brats who had "brutilized" him in various ways.
I'm curious though. What makes you think his video was political?
Because he did it specifically to make a public statement. That makes it political. I'm not saying it's a coherent political statement, but it's not just a suicide/murder spree either.
SergeantX
"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock
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