Warning Signs
POSTED BY: Jongsstraw
UPDATED: Sunday, April 29, 2007 19:28
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I guess the difference is this: you can either 'shun' the person into social compliance as a group, or you can get the sheriff to enforce rules for you. For human responsibility, education and a good sense about it, it's probably better to do it as a group. But that wasn't happening so people PM'd to ask to have them banned. Them getting tagged as offensive was the least that could have happened. And at least it warns the reader.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
Those are additions to sentences, in effect additional charges. What I am talking of is an actual multiplier, you serve twice the time if you use a gun. So say you rob a bank, carjack a getaway vehicle (without taking hostages) and flee. By your math you might get 10 years for the bank, 3 years for the car plus 5 years for the gun, total 18 years. I'm saying double the sentence for gun use or (10+3) x2 or 26 years.
What they really are is Federal charges on top of any State charges. Robbery and carjacking are generally State, not Federal, crimes. Most State laws already have more severe sentencing for armed crimes than unarmed ones. The Federal charges are the icing on the cake, adding additional time just for the act of using a gun in the commission of any violent or drug-related crime.
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
I'm sorry, but if Kaneman gets an offensive tag then Piratenews should damn well get one too.
DTH, you know I love you, but I have to disagree. PN seems to me, as to others, to be a brick short of a chimney. He reminds me of a homeless conspiracy theorist that I once knew. I ignore most of what he writes. KM on the other hand is very aware of what he/she is doing and does it deliberately. One does not know better and the other does. That is the difference.
As for the original reason for this post, Cho IS the bad guy. But society failed him in not getting him the help he so obviously needed. How did he fall thtrough the cracks and how do we prevent it in the future?
edited cause I can't spell and don't have my glasses so I can't see either!
edited again because geezus I need some freakin glasses, a dictionary and a thesaurus!
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Cho IS the bad guy. But society failed him in not getting him the help he so obviously needed. How did he fall thtrough the cracks and how do we prevent it in the future?
Wow... to think I wasted so much typing when it could have been put so succinctly. Thanks! :)
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Cho IS the bad guy. But society failed him in not getting him the help he so obviously needed. How did he fall thtrough the cracks and how do we prevent it in the future?
Wow... to think I wasted so much typing when it could have been put so succinctly. Thanks! :)
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Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:Quote:
Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
I'm sorry, but if Kaneman gets an offensive tag then Piratenews should damn well get one too.
DTH, you know I love you, but I have to disagree. PN seems to me, as to others, to be a brick short of a chimney. He reminds me of a homeless conspiracy theorist that I once knew. I ignore most of what he writes. KM on the other hand is very aware of what he/she is doing and does it deliberately. One does not know better and the other does. That is the difference.
Hmmm... maybe my main issue is that I've never been able to shake the feeling that he's putting it on. It's nothing in particular, just little things here and there that make me think he's basically just trying to stir stuff up. Like telling us we should pretend to be Jewish if we're asked our religion by a mass murderer. Someone who's obsessed with devil worship and the apocalypse would never say that, since from their point of view it's telling people to deny Christ.
Of course I know it's probably stupid to look for rational behaviour in a crazy person but, heck, I did mention I've one of the crazies so I don't have to be rational either
And like I said, being nuts doesn't give you the right to hurt people. Not in real life and not online.
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As for the original reason for this post, Cho IS the bad guy. But society failed him in not getting him the help he so obviously needed. How did he fall thtrough the cracks and how do we prevent it in the future?
Like I said - a well funded, well run mental health service and a general willingness to talk about mental health issues instead of refusing to ever mention it and stigmatising anyone who has it. Not that Ireland is a wonderful paradise Island where these things happen, far from it, but I still stand by my opinion.
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How did he fall thtrough the cracks and how do we prevent it in the future?
I am still of the opinion that someone fumbled the ball regarding the Tarasoff protocol and should be held in part responsible and accountable, for being criminally negligent.
No system works 100% of the time, but this was an inexcusable failure.
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What stuck out for me was the outpatient service saying it isn't their job to police patients and make them attend therapy when it *is*. If someone is ordered to attend a clinic and doesn't show they have a duty to report it. They didn't. This is a horrible reminder of what happens when you focus on the numbers and not the individuals.
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
What stuck out for me was the outpatient service saying it isn't their job to police patients and make them attend therapy when it *is*. If someone is ordered to attend a clinic and doesn't show they have a duty to report it. They didn't. This is a horrible reminder of what happens when you focus on the numbers and not the individuals.
There was an interesting discussion on the issue of severe mental illness yesterday on the Diane Rehm Show from our local NPR station. Had the Director of NIMH and two other professionals. They basically admitted that there is no "mental health system" as such in the US, and that response to severe mental illness has declined greatly since the '60s and '70s. Among other things, they noted that, pretty much by default, the police have become the first responders for serious mental health problems, since emergency rooms are unprepared or unwilling to deal with people who come in hearing voices or incoherent.
You can listen to a playback of the show here:
http://www.wamu.org/programs/dr/07/04/25.php#15344
BTW, I love Diane Rehm's voice.
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Here's the REAL reason for the massacres:
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Report: Cho Hired an Escort Before Rampage
Roanoke Woman Says She Told FBI Killer Was 'Dorky,' 'Timid' and a 'Little Pushy'
Seung-Hui Cho hired her to dance for him in a motel room one month before the massacre at Virginia Tech's campus, dancer Chastity Frye said in an on camera interview with a TV station in Roanoke, Va.
"He was so quiet. I really couldn't get much from him. He was so distant. He really didn't like to talk a lot," Frye said in the interview. "It seemed like he wasn't all there."
Frye said that a "creepy" Cho, 23, called the escort service she works for and hired her to meet him for one hour at a Roanoke motel, about a 30-minute drive from Virginia Tech's Blacksburg campus.
About 15 minutes into the performance for Cho, Frye said, it appeared that her client had no interest.
"I danced for a little while and I thought we were done because he got up and went to the restroom and began washing," said Frye, a white woman with blond hair.
Frye told WSLS that she told Cho she was going to leave, to which he responded that he had paid for a full hour and she had only performed 15 minutes.
When she resumed dancing, Frye said that Cho touched her and tried "to get on" her before she pushed him away. Cho then apparently respected her wishes.
Frye said she thought Cho looked familiar when she saw his face in the coverage of the Virginia Tech killings. Cho fatally shot 32 people and then himself on April 16.
She got a call from the FBI, which she said tracked her down through Cho's credit card receipts.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/VATech/story?id=3071730&page=1
Somebody is lying. Escorts are prostitutes, as prosecutors prove in courts every day, when crooked copsters pay millions of taxdollars for hardcore sex, and return for more more more before making an arrest and shaking down the mafias to run extortion blackmail rackets.
If this escort/stripper/prostitute is lying about sex, then she has zero credibility about Cho's real personality. He might be as outgoing as CIA employee Mohammed Atta when confronted by nekked strippers dancing in his lap (or his doppleganger double).
Or perhaps the moral of this story is that college girls should only be taught how to be sexed-up housewives as their only allowed major, in order to prevent school shootings?
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