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POSTED BY: RiveR6213
UPDATED: Monday, June 18, 2007 20:37
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:
There were also at least two vampires (one of whom had a soul) fighting on the Allied side as (grudging) mercenaries.
Of course, considering that both Hitler and Mackenzie King (Canada's Prime Minister) were rumoured to be (or be employing) fairly powerful wizards themselves, I'd say there was already more than enough magic being flung around without an extraneous Slayer in play.
And that's not even mentioning the presence of Ed and Hoenheim Elric.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
If this is so, why do you think that a Slayer chose to stay out of history's way during World War II? One would think that she would have been in the thick of it, especially after she discovered those death camps. Would she not feel like it was her duty to put a stop to that sort of thing? You know the song... "With great power comes great responsibility?" I guess we will never know.
-River
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You know, this actually reminds me of an anime called Full Metal Alchemist. Towards the end of the series, the characters who are from another dimension) find themselves in a similar situation in early 30's Germany. They actually do end up having an effect on the course of history, but that's another story entirely.
As for Buffy, I don't think the issue would be whether or not she'd have an impact, I think the issue is should she interfere in the first place. She has a set purpose in the world, to defend the world from supernatural forces. Unfortunately, war is a very natural one.
So all that being said, I think a quote from Angel would best sum this rambling speech up:
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Doyle: “So what, you don’t get the ring because your period of self-flagellation isn’t over yet? I mean think of all the daytime people you could help between 9 and 5.”
Angel: “They have help. The whole world is designed for them, so much that they have no idea what goes on around them after dark. They don’t see the weak ones lost in the night, - or the things that prey on them. And if I join them, maybe I’d stop seeing, too.”
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"If you want to win a war, you must serve no master but your ambition."
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Actually, a Slayer killed a vampire near the end of WWII, and they mistook it for a suicide. Wonder why Hitler's body dissappeared? Dust, baby.
Chrisisall
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Quote:Who says she did?
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If this is so, why do you think that a Slayer chose to stay out of history's way during World War II?
If Hitler was as big on the occult as everyone says, he'd almost certainly know about the Slayer, and likely had forces in play to neutralize her. Maybe there was some special SS unit dedicated to finding the Slayer and keeping her distracted and alive (so as to prevent another being Called).
Hell, the Blitz was probably keeping the Watcher's Council on constant alert, and that's half the equation right there.
The official war history is not the whole story.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
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Originally posted by Cybersnark:Quote:Who says she did?
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If this is so, why do you think that a Slayer chose to stay out of history's way during World War II?
If Hitler was as big on the occult as everyone says, he'd almost certainly know about the Slayer, and likely had forces in play to neutralize her. Maybe there was some special SS unit dedicated to finding the Slayer and keeping her distracted and alive (so as to prevent another being Called).
Hell, the Blitz was probably keeping the Watcher's Council on constant alert, and that's half the equation right there.
The official war history is not the whole story.
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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.
Now that would make a pretty interesting movie in itself. I wish when BtVS was airing in prime time that during one of the episodes they flashed back to just this very thing we are talking about. Just what DID or WAS the Slayer and the Watcher's counsel doing back in WW2?
Thanks for adding that.
-River
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or, why isn't buffy over in darfur now, sorting that out? got her hands full already I suspect...
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Actually there was a slayer in germany, in 1938 to be exact.
It's part of the tales of the slayers graphic novel so details are spoilered
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she was Anni Sonnenblume, 14 years old, and she lived in Nuremberg. She was a member of the Hitler youth. At this time most Germans didn't really see the bad side to the Nazi regime And after all, the watchers council And Sonnenblume were worrying about the supernatural and not really bothered by politics. This changed for Sonnenblume on Kristallnacht. She'd been out on patrol and saw her Jewish bakers family and many others being beaten on the streets by the Sturmabteilung. Sonnenblume vowed to fight the true evil that was around her. which, she now realised, wasn't restricted to vampires and demons. It would seem based on the next slayer we know of she didn't last long though. Sophie Carstensen of Denmark was active in 1940. Sometimes, unfortunately, even power beyond any other can't overcome the evil
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This is all becoming quite grim. Evil seems to win on television and in real life. The good seems to only keep evil at bay; never to destroy it completely, but to keep it from consuming everything. Absolute evil never totally wins, but good also never totally wins...Is this a balance thing? Is that what life is all about?
I find it difficult to understand that a Slayer in Germany, during the Nazi's reign could do nothing to alter history in a positive way. Maybe I don't have the intelligence to see the big picture. Oh well...
-River
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My understanding is that the death camps weren't really widely known about until after Germany'd been defeated. If I'm wrong, sorry, but if I'm right, that would give another reason for no slayer having intervened.
In fiction-world, of course. I realize there's no real slayer...
HONKS
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
This is all becoming quite grim. Evil seems to win on television and in real life. The good seems to only keep evil at bay; never to destroy it completely, but to keep it from consuming everything. Absolute evil never totally wins, but good also never totally wins...Is this a balance thing? Is that what life is all about?
I'm afraid so. Also, considering that Buffy really only has the super-human strength going for her, this is a good opportunity to look at why you're projecting so much onto her and not at the same time wondering why you aren't doing what you wish she would do.
The problem wouldn't have been solved by beating up a few people nor is Buffy bullet-proof, so you might as well take the super-human strength away from her. It's just like any other teenaged girl trying to do what you're expecting of Buffy: a nearly impossible feat.
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I find it difficult to understand that a Slayer in Germany, during the Nazi's reign could do nothing to alter history in a positive way. Maybe I don't have the intelligence to see the big picture. Oh well...
They didn't tell their population everything, propaganda was huge. Even finding out what to do, what would in any way be effective, would be hugely difficult. The same problems you would be facing right now, trying to end a big political conflict anywhere? A slayer would have faced. You have no clue what to do? A slayer wouldn't have, either. That's quite simply it.
That's why these things happen. They are HARD to prevent, once in motion.
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