1943
POSTED BY: RiveR6213
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Being totally aware of the threat that this thread will quickly end up in Troll country, do you think that history would have been changed in a dramatic way if Buffy Summers had been trapped, drugged, and tied up by some of us, and then sent back through time in a time machine that we created; back to Germany 1943?
Do you think that Buffy Summers having come out of her drugged state and having in a certain period of time realized that she was in Germany 1943 that she could have made a serious difference in the war?
Could a super powered woman have made a difference in a time of chaotic insanity that was world war 2?
Weird topic I know but you decide.
-River
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Seems to me that 1933 would be a much better time to intervene. I just don't think that Buffy would have made much of a difference, this a being political and economic mess, not a hand-to-hand combat kind.
Come to think of it, I also don't think she would have gotten far in 1943, unless she had spent some considerable time beforehand studying lots and lots of details. And even then only MAYBE.
She has super-human strength going for her, nothing else. What would YOU do, if you were sent back to that time with super-human strength, knowing only what you know now?
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Seems to me that 1933 would be a much better time to intervene. I just don't think that Buffy would have made much of a difference, this a being political and economic mess, not a hand-to-hand combat kind.
Come to think of it, I also don't think she would have gotten far in 1943, unless she had spent some considerable time beforehand studying lots and lots of details. And even then only MAYBE.
She has super-human strength going for her, nothing else. What would YOU do, if you were sent back to that time with super-human strength, knowing only what you know now?
If I was her, after I came out of my drugged state, and after I walked about in some of Germany cities and experienced a few book burning parties and maybe experienced a few Nuremberg like rallies, with my knowledge of how the war was supposed to turn out I would go underground and fight the Nazis. I think Buffy would have done this. I think she would have done this well. She would have become that nightmare needle in a haystack for the Nazi party.
-River
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Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If I was her, after I came out of my drugged state, and after I walked about in some of Germany cities and experienced a few book burning parties and maybe experienced a few Nuremberg like rallies, with my knowledge of how the war was supposed to turn out I would go underground and fight the Nazis. I think Buffy would have done this. I think she would have done this well. She would have become that nightmare needle in a haystack for the Nazi party.
-River
And how would you have found a underground anti-Nazi movement? Which, obviously, not eager to advertize itself to random strangers.
Do you speak German? Natively?
What would you have done about your lack of papers? Where would you have stayed and eaten? How would you have paid for travel?
It seems to me that those sort of practical concerns are vital.
A random foreigner without papers and money, without connections or anything, making revolutionary noises... could easily be made to disappear for suspected spying. Or land in jail for vagrancy. Or any other petty little thing.
I don't see anyone getting far on such an adventure unless they had a great deal of knowledge about the complex web of people, circumstances and chronological events involved.
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:Quote:
Originally posted by RiveR6213:
If I was her, after I came out of my drugged state, and after I walked about in some of Germany cities and experienced a few book burning parties and maybe experienced a few Nuremberg like rallies, with my knowledge of how the war was supposed to turn out I would go underground and fight the Nazis. I think Buffy would have done this. I think she would have done this well. She would have become that nightmare needle in a haystack for the Nazi party.
-River
And how would you have found a underground anti-Nazi movement? Which, obviously, not eager to advertize itself to random strangers.
Do you speak German? Natively?
What would you have done about your lack of papers? Where would you have stayed and eaten? How would you have paid for travel?
It seems to me that those sort of practical concerns are vital.
A random foreigner without papers and money, without connections or anything, making revolutionary noises... could easily be made to disappear for suspected spying. Or land in jail for vagrancy. Or any other petty little thing.
I don't see anyone getting far on such an adventure unless they had a great deal of knowledge about the complex web of people, circumstances and chronological events involved.
Nicely put, but put simply...Buffy Summers would have found a way, and I have a feeling that history would have been changed in a very interesting way.
-River
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I guess we'll have to disagree.
To me, this is oversimplifying a very complex issue. And also over-estimating Buffy in a very "tv-magic" kind of way. She may have super-human strength but that's it, and a lot of what makes her victorious comes from her team. All that background info people like Willow and Giles dig up for her. All the research. That's rarely ever her doing.
History is for learning from, not for changing. Because if we changed everything bad away, we could never learn from it and would just do it over again anyway. "Interesting" could just as well be really bad.
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There's the fact that in Joss Verse there was already a Slayert running around the world somewhere, and she already didn't change the course of history.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
There's the fact that in Joss Verse there was already a Slayert running around the world somewhere, and she already didn't change the course of history.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
I didn't think of that. Good point.
-River
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Seems to me that 1933 would be a much better time to intervene.
Yes, I think you are right. I forget when Hitler and his boys tried to pull off that Beer Hall takeover or whatever you call it, but I think that would have been a splendid time for a Slayer to show up and take out the trash.
Good point anyhow, now it's time for some boiled eggs, biscuits, and tea.
-River
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There were also at least two vampires (one of whom had a soul) fighting on the Allied side as (grudging) mercenaries.
Of course, considering that both Hitler and Mackenzie King (Canada's Prime Minister) were rumoured to be (or be employing) fairly powerful wizards themselves, I'd say there was already more than enough magic being flung around without an extraneous Slayer in play.
And that's not even mentioning the presence of Ed and Hoenheim Elric.
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