Firefly's deep characters!

POSTED BY: Houdini
UPDATED: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 05:50
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HOUDINI

Friday, April 20, 2007 3:27 PM

Obviously one of the things we all love about Firefly is it's deep and complicated characters, something most other shows lack. I was just watching Objects in Space for about the 30th time and came across something that reminded me again how deep they really are.

Specifically, the part where Simon and Kaylee are in the hall talking about how Simon used to work at the hospital, and Simon says "I would be there right now if she hadn't... if... if, they had just left her alone".

In that 5 second clip you could see that Simon isn't a one dimensional "I'm protecting my sister and that's all I care about" character. You can tell he in a small way blames River for him not being able to go back to working at the hospital. And in his reaction to those words you can tell he's ashamed of himself for feeling that way.

It's no surprise to me that this episode was written by Joss himself. ;)

So my question for you all is: what specific examples have you seen that show just how complex and deep our BDH's really are?

- Houdini

ZZETTA13

Friday, April 20, 2007 7:37 PM

Excellent question HOUDINI

There are tons that can be said about every crew member on Serenity. Not only the crew of that little transport but also folks like Saffron and Badger and even bad guy Niska.

One of the parts that I like is where Inara gets all mixed up when she thinks Fess Higgins is talking about Mal in the Jaynestown eps.Shows us her mind is never far away from the captain and of all men, rejection from him would be like a dagger to her heart.I feel that there are some emotions there that we never got a chance to see.I love that gal.

Z

DONCOAT

Friday, April 20, 2007 11:07 PM

Kaylee keeping her poofy dress in her cabin and listening to the dance music.

Wash and Zoe having their little battles... over Mal, over having a baby. Not just an Ozzie and Harriet pairing.

River leaning on Simon to tell him how it felt to be a "real girl" for a while and then losing it... and still understanding he'd love her even though she threw up on his bed.

Book's deep yet brittle faith.

Oh, this could go on forever...

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NIKNAK

Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:15 AM

Hi, I used to be a regular on this site but haven't posted for about a year. I haven't got time for all the random chat but it's nice to see an intelligent thread actually about the show so I'll join in.

My example: Jayne at the end of Jaynestown, after the kid took a bullet for him. If he was just a one dimensional thug he'd have made a quick exit. If it had been a lesser TV show they'd have made excuses about it not being his fault. Instead he gives an powerful speech and knocks down the statue. He's actually ashamed of himself and that they held him up as a hero. He wants them to stop worshipping false idols (i.e. himself). I love that scene.

"You think people are just going to drop money on you? Money that they could use? We'll there ain't people like that; just people like me."

FLYVOTE

Saturday, April 21, 2007 12:26 AM

I keep the best parts of Firefly and Serenity on five DVDs...

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DARKEYES

Saturday, April 21, 2007 2:29 AM

Well said NikNak. All of my friends write off Jaynestown as just a comedy episode. But the look on Jayne's face when he says "There's just people like me" Breaks my heart every time. And later when he's so puzzled with Mal on the catwalk. Real deep stuff.

I think Tracy is a really deep character too. I wish we'd gotten to see more of him.

"Still sitting pretty with a pistol in hand."

MSKVFORESTER

Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:18 AM

The conversation between the Captain and Inarra at the end of Mrs. Reynolds. Does the Captain know that she kissed him, and is playing dumb, just because he like to be smug like that, and because his true feeling for Inara scare the hell out of him; or does he not know, and he really think that Inara let Saffron kiss her. The best part about this is that I still dont know!

Early saying..."thats no preacher." Huh? You know him? Where? How?

TRAVELER

Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:23 AM

Hello NIKNAK:

You beat me to it. I think Jayne turning to face the crowd in "Jaynestown" and saying "There are only people like me" is one of the most powerful lines in this series. I'm glad you mentioned this scene. Jayne has faults and can be very imature, but there is a person inside him who wants to change. And there are a few scenes like this one where that special person comes out.

Traveler

OUT2THEBLACK

Saturday, April 21, 2007 5:55 AM

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Originally posted by mskvforester:
The conversation between the Captain and Inarra at the end of Mrs. Reynolds. Does the Captain know that she kissed him, and is playing dumb, just because he like to be smug like that, and because his true feeling for Inara scare the hell out of him; or does he not know, and he really think that Inara let Saffron kiss her. The best part about this is that I still dont know!

One of my favorites also !

It's a great credit to the actors , that they can emote to such a degree of ambiguity , and a credit to the writing staff , that they create such lines for the characters...Stuff we may never see truly revealed , that we enjoy the same way , every time , as if for the FIRST time ! Still , it makes one long for what could have been...Gorramn F*>< network !

Just another reason Firefly is the best TV show since DeForest invented the radion...

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PIRATECAT

Saturday, April 21, 2007 6:08 AM

I always liked Book because he was the most mysterious. But everyone had a secret. The Tams pretty big one. But what about the shepherd what was he carring so secret that would have been bigger than Rivers. Will never know. I wonder too if YoSaffBridge was Patience's daughter. At least 3 more seasons darn it.

"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".

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