atleast 20 killed in campus shooting at Virginia Tech
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"Licenses are a permission slip to do something that is otherwise illeagal.
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Um, where exactly do you get that? It's NOT illegal to own a gun, nor is it illegal to carry a gun. It's just illegal to do these things under certain specific conditions. This is *very* different than what you just said."
First off, the staement isn't just in reference to firearms...if you drive without a license, illeagal, hunt without= poaching, illeagal, fishing etc.
The US constitution says the right to keep & bear arms shall not be infringed (abridged statement I already know) but the thrust is keep & bear means own & carry. In NYC you have to apply for a permit/license to buy a gun, in so called "right to carry states" you pay for a license/permit to carry a gun...keep & bear, one would conclude that a right (protected by the constitution for US citizens) that one has to repurchase from the state is a little ridiculous.
"Using this logic people who are poor become once again victims, serfs, & slaves (even if by other names)
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Saying things doesn't make it true. Hell, your not even justifying your position. "
I thought the logic would be obvious, a permit that one has to pay for would by its very nature restrict access (again to a protected right) to poor people. Pa right now is toying with the idea of charging a yearly registration tax of $10.00 per gun.
"Not once in all the years I've had a carry permit has anyone asked my about my level of training.
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Because they assume you have been trained properly. That's part of what a permit means. But, at the same time, just because you have a permit it doesn't mean that you have proper judgement, nor does it mean you're able to act (or act properly) under the extreme pressure similar to the one that started this discussion in the first place. Nor does it mean that by taking such action, it will make the situation better. In fact, by any reasoning, such actions would make the situation worse."
Incorrect assuption, I have a clean record & the money for the permit...training is immaterial, I have had training but I got that on my own.
"I have lived in a neighborhood where a good friend of mines apartment was broken into 3 times, & I got to sleep for 2 nights on the floor of the outer room with a shotgun for company because the police couldn't/wouldn't take action.
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Um, why are you even bringing this up? Owning a shotgun wouldn't be restricted under reasonable gun control laws nor would it be restricted to have it in the home. Also, the main issue here is the carrying a concealed weapon thing, which isn't exactly in your example"
You have missed the point, you got hung up on the hardware (it seems), the point is not that I have a shotgun, handgun, crossbow, or flare gun. The point is that the police (the great protectors that gun control advocates always site as being adequate) were unable/unwilling to do anything & thus the task fell to we the unwashed citizens to take up defence for ourselves.
"In the US because we do have a level of personal freedom everyone gets a free criminal act...& if it happens to be murder...
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What the hell are you taking about?"
Terribly sorry I thought it would be obvious, you can't prevent the law from being broken. You can deter it, but not prevent it. The police show up after the law is broken.
ex. A party in progress, a man walks in (he is invited) he reaches into his coat (not violating the law), he pulls a revolver (not there yet), he pints it at another guest (now the law in broken no police or bodyguards on hand) so he pulls the trigger...BANG (attempted murder)...the bullet strikes his target in the temple (murder 1). No police on hand & the guests aren't carrying weapons...they begin to panic...BANG...(another victim, law broken)...BANG...BANG...BANG...a guest tries to call the police on a cell phone...BANG (dies in attempt). The shooter ejects his shells & has a reloader (2-5 seconds later)...BANG...BANG, by the time the neighbors (or a guest hiding in a closet) calls the police & they
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Interesting story in my local paper. Especially considering the far left bias the paper usually exibits:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/B/BRAVE_BEAUTY_QUEEN?SITE=WIMIL&S
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Armed Miss America 1944 stops intruder
WAYNESBURG, Ky. (AP) -- Miss America 1944 has a talent that likely has never appeared on a beauty pageant stage: She fired a handgun to shoot out a vehicle's tires and stop an intruder. Venus Ramey, 82, confronted a man on her farm in south-central Kentucky last week after she saw her dog run into a storage building where thieves had previously made off with old farm equipment.
Ramey said the man told her he would leave. "I said, 'Oh, no you won't,' and I shot their tires so they couldn't leave," Ramey said.
She had to balance on her walker as she pulled out a snub-nosed .38-caliber handgun.
"I didn't even think twice. I just went and did it," she said. "If they'd even dared come close to me, they'd be 6 feet under by now."
Ramey then flagged down a passing motorist, who called 911.
Curtis Parrish of Ohio was charged with misdemeanor trespassing, Deputy Dan Gilliam said. The man's hometown wasn't immediately available. Three other people were questioned but were not arrested.
After winning the pageant with her singing, dancing and comedic talents, Ramey sold war bonds and her picture was adorned on a B-17 that made missions over Germany in World War II, according to the Miss America Web site.
Ramey lived in Cincinnati for several years and was instrumental in helping rejuvenate Over-the-Rhine historic buildings. She returned to Kentucky in 1990 to live on her farm.
"I'm trying to live a quiet, peaceful life and stay out of trouble, and all it is, is one thing after another," she said.
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US teacher shot by six-year-old student awarded $10m by jury
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy5q7ygx14zo
Steve Kornacki breaks down Virginia election results
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