atleast 20 killed in campus shooting at Virginia Tech
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Originally posted by rue:
"Doesn't bother me, have to be everybody though, because bad guys will always be able to get guns somehow." ...I suspect it's one of those things that get repeated over and over, true or not. Does anyone have ANY data to back this up?
Otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, this goes into the 'maybe' pile and doesn't count for purposes of the topic.
Jamaica has very strict gun control laws, and a murder rate 7.7 times that of the US, generally referred to in media reports as "gun crimes" although I havent found any stats yet. Mexico also has many restrictions on firearms ownership (there's only one gun store in the whole country), yet 1.2 times the US firearms murder rate.
If you look at just murders per capita, regardless of weapon, there's a lot of countries on the list with stricter gun laws than the US where people apparently manage to kill each other at a much higher rate using something other than guns.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-cap
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I believe these two statements illustrate the salient point.
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There is no physical way to prevent this kind of thing from happening. Perhaps you can protect yourself--live in a concrete bunker, pay people to get your mail, or something--but You won't prevent this from happening to someone else.
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But exactly nothing can be done in these extreme cases. No amount of control can make us safe from madness.
That's kinda my point, you see.
As long as the world is the way it is, such dangers exist, and probably always will due to simple human nature.
While I don't see it as my responsiblity to protect others, I can and will protect myself such as is reasonable and possible from for lack of a better word, baddies.
Being middle aged, in fairly poor health and with a prosthetic leg that's often not as functional as I would like, and not being a kung-fu master, my functional self-defense options are often limited by that, thus the only reasonable way to level that playing field should I find myself on it is a firearm... situational awareness and conflict avoidance will only carry you so far.
As far as maybes go, Rue, there's no maybe about it, someone who wants to kill people badly enough *will* find some way to do it, and since the individual person doesn't have any influance over that, one does what one can in ones own defense.
The world is a dangerous place and to pretend otherwise is pure madness, so there's nothing wrong with taking reasonable, rational precautions to mitigate those risks, it's no different than carrying a spare tire in your trunk - it's something you'd rather not need, but the realities of life make it wise to do.
I prefer to deal reasonably with the rest of the human race, alas, some of the time that isn't reciprocated and thus I am prepared for that eventuality - and while given the chance to do so I would avoid violence, some times that choice isn't available, it's not simpler than that.
Believe me, I'd *like* to live in a world where these kind of things don't happen, but as long as we do, I plan to ensure to the best of my ability that they don't happen to ME.
And what's so very wrong with that, then ?
-Frem
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MUST SEE TV: GUN BANS KILL PEOPLE
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6006926775914305210
State Rep Suzanna Gratia Hupp, R-Lampasas, testifies to Congress in opposition to gun ban laws, after her parents were murdered in front of her. She had a handgun carry permit, but federal and Texas law banned handguns in restarants, so she left her gun in her car. Luby's massacre was a mass killing that took place on October 16, 1991, in Killeen, Texas, United States when George Hennard entered a Luby's Cafeteria and shot and killed 23 people, wounded 20 and then killed himself. Only the work of a large man breaking through a window allowed the rest of the patrons to escape. One noted exception was a mother and her 4-year-old child, whom Hennard allowed to leave. Though Hennard was shot several times by police, only when he ran out of victims did Hennard walk to the rear of the seating area and take his own life with a gunshot to the head.
As a direct result of this massacre, in 1995 the Texas Legislature, led by Suzanna Gratia Hupp (whose parents were both killed in the massacre), passed a law over the veto of former Governor Ann Richards that allowed Texas citizens to obtain a concealed carry handgun permit in part as a reaction against the massacre. Soon after, many states considered similar weapon permits for citizens.
The Luby's massacre remained the deadliest criminal mass shooting in United States history until April 16, 2007, when the Virginia Tech massacre occurred. In the San Ysidro McDonald's massacre on July 18, 1984, 21 died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby's_massacre
A bill in the Virginia legislature last year that would have allowed students with concealed weapons permits to carry their guns at schools was killed, with VA Tech spokesman Larry Hincker heralding the move as action that would "help parents, students, faculty and visitors feel safe on our campus." "Isn't it interesting that Utah and Oregon are the only two states that allows faculty to carry guns on campus. And isn't it interesting that you haven't read about any school or university shootings in Utah or Oregon? Why not? Because criminals don't like having their victims shoot back at them," Gun Owners of America's Larry Pratt said yesterday. "That's why the American people want an end to this ineffective gun ban." 85% of Americans support the right of a principle or a teacher to have instant access to a safely stored firearm in order to defend the lives of students and prevent a school massacre, but a drive is already underway to disarm more victims and grease the skids for more horrors similar to what unfolded yesterday.
www.infowars.com/articles/2nd_amendment/va_tech_shooting_gun_control_l
aw_helped_campus_killer.htm
The alleged shooter was not a US citizen, and may have been a member of the Korean Mafia that runs most Tai Quan Dojos and oriental massage parlors in USA, as part of the police-approved CIA White House sex-slave trade and opium ring of the Bush Crime Family.
The cure for this crime is a ban of foreigners, and a ban on foreign-built guns.
CNN NEWS:
The lone nut was under mind-control by "therapists", and the university knew all about his dangerous insanity, and refused to kick him out of school, even tho he was so sick in the head that he could not attend class, and had to be tutored without speaking.
www.infowars.com/articles/us/va_tech_shooting_gunman_writings_raised_c
oncern.htm
So this Manchurian Candidate was allowed to do this crime spree, under the orders of the university and police, over the objections of teachers and students.
"You can't stop the signal! But you can kill me with a sword, because I don't have a gun."
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If They do ban guns, you can always make your own improvised firearm device, out of cardboard and matches, or anything else.
ZIP GUNS
In late 2000, European police encountered a four shot .22 LR zip gun disguised as a cellphone, where different keys on the keypad fire different barrels. Because of this discovery, cellphones are now x-rayed by airport screeners worldwide.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zip_gun
You can manufacture your own full-auto machinegun at your local hardware store, even in England's Total Gun Ban Except For Royalty. Free e-book download:
www.thehomegunsmith.com
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Of course, with Wide Open borders in UK and USA, gun bans for the sheeple are bypassed by 100-millions of illegal aliens.
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According to reports Rosie O'Donnell has a bodyguard who carries a full-auto machine pistol.
One of the members of the much forgotten (& rightfully so) "Million Mom March" was busted in New York for carrying a handgun while putting up signs for the (anti-gun) march.
Rosie said on her show today that:
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"There is no way to ever ban guns in USA. That will never happen. I spent many years trying to do that, as hard as I could, and I had no effect. So now I don't try."
Rosie refused to say anything bad about guns today, but of course failed to mention she has many millions of dollars to hire an army of armed ex-cops to kill anyone she wants to kill.
Today, Rosie did demand that Bush be impeached immediately, in response to the token Republican chick complaining about John Edward's $400 haircut (how much in Bush's budget for a fulltime hair team?).
So Rosie has joined us, in both gun rights and 911 Truth. Before you know she'll be wearing a dress and leave her bitch for another man.
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"The world is a dangerous place and to pretend otherwise is pure madness."
You know how you can spot a Canadian in a crowd of USers? They walk with their heads up, looking around with interest. USers OTOH are defensive, furtive folk, used to trying to avoid being a target.
Not ALL places are dangerous hostile little worlds. Some places are quite pacifist, nice places to visit, to work and live, actually. My question is - how does the US get from here to there.
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Uncle Scam is the most prolific killer in USA, especially if you include the annual 2.5-million murders perped by medical doctors in death camps under govt contract. For Bush The Butcher Of Bagdad to grace Virginia Tech with his drunken coked-up nappy-ho kissing face, is an exercise in the power of mind control, that the sheeple don't lynch him, but worship him as god instead. The grinning student Pakistani president was practically ejaculating all over himself on CNN, bragging about the big event of 40,000 grieving slaves today.
WHAT THE PSYOP SCHOOL SHOOTING TOTALLY KNOCKOUT OUT OF THE NEWS TODAY, WHICH IS IRS TAX DEADLINE DAY AT 12 MIDNIGHT, NORMALLY DISCUSSED AD NAUSEUM ON TV NEWS:
AMERICA FROM FREEDOM TO FASCISM
by Jew Aaron Russo (producer of Eddie Murphy's Trading Places, discovered Led Zeppelin)
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Jewish Private Federal Reserve Bankster Scam
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THE REAL NEWS TODAY: IRS tax is voluntary, no law requires paying income tax, 16th Amendment was never ratified by the states, all income taxes go to a private Federal Reserve Bank Corporation in London England, no income tax revenue reaches the US govt. Actor Wesley Snipes is the latest citizen under indictment for refusing to pay this scamtax.
In other news, Daniel Sunjata, co-star of the critically-acclaimed FX Network television series, Rescue Me and Tony Award nominated actor who has performed in film, television and in the theater and has recently come forward with his support of the 9/11 Truth Movement.
www.911blogger.com/node/7634
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VIDEO: UT Tower Shooting: Cop Ray Martinez
Ray Martinez the "official" hero of the 1966 University of Texas Tower Shooting who shot Whittman, the US Marine Corps tower sniper. This was one of the most infamous mass murder cases in US crime history, with suppression fire from the heavily armed citizens (ignored by the Media Mafia).
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So the alleged shooter was officially under mind control by "therapists" and psymeds.
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The suspected gunman in the Virginia Tech shooting rampage, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior from South Korea who investigators believe left an invective-filled note in his dorm room, sources say.
The note included a rambling list of grievances, according to sources. They said Cho also died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on one of his arms.
Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, according to an investigative source, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women.
Cho was an English major whose creative writing was so disturbing that he was referred to the school's counseling service, the Associated Press reported.
Professor Carolyn Rude, chairwoman of the university's English department, said she did not personally know the gunman. But she said she spoke with Lucinda Roy, the department's director of creative writing, who had Cho in one of her classes and described him as "troubled."
She said Cho was referred to the counseling service, but she said she did not know when, or what the outcome was.
Investigators believe Cho at some point had been taking medication for depression. They are examining Cho's computer for more evidence.
According to court records, Virginia Tech Police issued a speeding ticket to Cho on April 7 for going 44 mph in a 25 mph zone, and he had a court date set for May 23.
www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-070417vtech-shootings,1,17
6236.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed&ctrack=1&cset=true
So the triggering event was a bogus traffic ticket, from the same police state death squads who stood down for two hours while the killing spree took place...
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I'm not typically a conspiracy type, but I don't get some of this.
If one of the guns was obtained leagally, why file off the serial numbers & then keep the reciept?
If the guy has been in the country since he was 8 & his family owns a business here, why is he on a student visa?
If this was a rampage shooting why the delay between victims?
If this wasn't a terrorist act, why the (believed to be) connected bomb threats?
Why would the shooter kill himself before he even saw the police?
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Originally posted by rue:
You know how you can spot a Canadian in a crowd of USers? They walk with their heads up, looking around with interest. USers OTOH are defensive, furtive folk, used to trying to avoid being a target.
Not the Americans I know. Maybe you live in the wrong part of the country.
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Not ALL places are dangerous hostile little worlds. Some places are quite pacifist, nice places to visit, to work and live, actually. My question is - how does the US get from here to there.
And not all places in the US are dangerous or hostile.
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-cap
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Maine has about the murder rate of the UK.
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Well, yeah, the official story stinks, but my take on it is pure police incompetence, followed by an intense effort at butt covering thus leading to confusion.
My GUESS, and this only a guess, is that after the first shooting, the cops figured he was long gone, and did what cops usually do - grab the closest guy roughly matching the description and roughed him up while trying to pin it on him.
(Seen pics of em arresting someone, and I would be interested to know who..)
And then when more shootings happened, they responded with their usual ineffectiveness, cordoned off the area and hid behind cover.
Then when it was safe (for them!) to do so, moved in with the coroner team to clean up the mess.
That's only a guess, but I would lay good odds that at least some of the confusion comes from ass-covering attempts on behalf of the police force.
People look for great, grand, all encompassing conspiracies - but the truth of most matters is small petty ones that entertwine with incompetence and cluelessness.
I'd like to have the facts, but I doubt we'll ever get them.
-Frem
It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it
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