atleast 20 killed in campus shooting at Virginia Tech

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

Then don't go digging in some other thread to take a comment out of context and use it here as a personal slam.

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I used that post of yours as an example of your violent insulting behaviour. Someone made a post and your reply, although, started off fine, ended with several personal insults... unprovoked.

So, how exactly did I take it out of context?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

No, I *don't* wanna discuss it with you, you're coming across in a fashion that strikes me as completely irrational and deliberately, maliciously insulting from the get go, so I suspect your motives.

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1) If you don't want to discuss it, why are you still posting?

2) The irrational, etc is just in your head. In fact, if you would have read my posts (as opposed to reading /into/ them as you obviously did), you'd see many well reasoned arguments.

3) What happens when one makes baseless assumptions again?

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I have made my position abundantly clear and reasonable in a different thread (the one relating to sheep, if you care), and I plan to leave it at that, yet you felt the need to take a shot at me long after the fact, and again when I suggested we agree to disagree on this one.

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1) I didn't participate in that thread. So, how I was supposed to know about it is beyond me.

2) If you wanted to "leave it at that" then why did you post here (never mind the fact that you're still posting)?

3) Posting on this forum is not a priority for me. So, from time to time I play "catch-up". If you have a problem with that then you have a problem with *many* people on this board including SoupCatcher which did exactly that this very week. Quite frankly, expecting instant (or near instant) responses is an unreasonable thing to expect on this medium.

4) You never really suggested that we agree to disagree on this one. The post that comes closest to this here:

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=28209&m=482784#482708

Where you personally insult me, then prove that you didn't read my posts, then compare the US to Rwanda (!?!?). You then go onto say you did something that you clearly didn't, then say that I attacked you for some "unknown" reason when it's obvious because you attacked ME personally (which I stated prior btw), then you continue to personally insult me. After that you /apparently/ do the agree to disagree, but intwine it with more personal insults, which rather nullifies the agree to disagree part i.e. you can't be civil and insulting in the same breath and expect it to mean that you're trying to be respectful and suggest that we both walk away from the argument. Civility does _not_ work that way.

I don't understand why you can't see that (at least) in this thread, you're a walking contradiction.

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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:

I am not Cit, and will not be baited into a thread-destroying tit-for-tat game here, you wanna continue to slam and insult, fine, be my guest, but you'll be talking to yourself, cause I got nothin left to say to you, period.

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And now your insulting someone who isn't involved in our discussion here!?!? Are you serious?!?!? Do you honestly think that you can take the moral high ground doing these things?!?!?

I honestly hope that you don't reply (though I'm not at all convinced that you won't) as I grow weary of reading post after post of you insulting me acting as if you aren't. But, if you really want to, go ahead, I'll let you have the last word.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I'll let you have the last word.

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I'll believe that when I see it.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

please show me one single example other than this

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That was hyperbole as I've seen you fly off the handle before. It was just meant to indicate that I wasn't exactly surprised by your post.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I'm more afraid of our government than I am any terrorist or sick freak who shoots up a school.

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With your particular government, this is actually quite reasonable. But, you shouldn't be afraid of what they may do militarily speaking, you should be afraid of what they /already/ are doing with your civil liberties. Fighting for those now will mean a /much/ less change of bullets being exchanged later.

Basically, I don't blame you for preparing for the worst, so to say. But, why not fight for things to have the chance for things not to "come to a head"?

NOTE: Owning a gun (I don't have a problem with this) is very different from having a CCW license (which I /do/ have a problem with). Not sure if I made that clear enough above, but just in case, there it is.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

I agree that it should have been evacuated while dipshit was out mailing his manifesto to CBS or wherever it went. And I'm sure that would have been at least as successful as the evacuations during Katrina.

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Um what? All they'd have to do is post notices on all doors that classes were canceled. Get the media to distribute the message as well (similar to a snow day: just saying canceling classes is done regularly). This could be done by campus security or the cops (depending on how they feel). Also, since campus security isn't exactly a small force, so getting the people that were already there to evacuate wouldn't have taken toooo long. Especially if they had some help.

That way, when students show up, they leave straight away, if they went at all.

At the very least, the death toll would probably have been significantly reduced. And at least it would have shown that the University actually cared about the students welfare.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Here's another question for the US'ers here, what does how this situation played out say about the mentality of your society in general. I mean seriously, a shooting occurred and it was perceived so lightly that the day went on as normal when the perp wasn't found?!?!?

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You want the truth? Actually, since I know nobody who died or any of their family members I really don't care about this incident at all. My first thought was "Oh great. More fodder for the anti-gun, anti-tobacco, anti-alcahol fascists". If I didn't live in America, I would hear about a lot more incidents like this because they're happening all over the world every day. Somebody is probably getting shot or stabbed or blown up while I write this. I don't care about these people. If somebody is coming after me or mine, however, I will do whatever is in my power to protect them. And if that meant firing a weapon that was deemed illegal by an ever increasingly fascist government, I will face that music after I've made sure that the people I care about are safe.

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You know, I wasn't expecting someone to be so honest.

That is actually part of the conclusion that I came to. But, don't you find that a problem? Why not "protect your neighbour" if you can?


I think I've said this before, but I'll state it again, I have no problem with people owning guns. This can and is done under strict gun control laws. Hell, in Canada we have *much* more strict gun control laws than the US and people still can get a CCW license under appropriate conditions. Though I have a problem with that. IMO there really isn't any reason for people to need to have a weapon on them with modern police force, etc around.

Basically, I'm saying that the same freedoms can be had with proper gun control laws. That, tougher laws can keep "gun crime" down. It just has to be done properly.

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
I'll let you have the last word.

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I'll believe that when I see it.

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Are you trying to stir it?

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
That was hyperbole as I've seen you fly off the handle before. It was just meant to indicate that I wasn't exactly surprised by your post.

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Well you still said you were waiting for me to call you a terrorist and I don't have a history of calling anyone a terrorist. Fascist, yes.... Terrorist, no.

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With your particular government, this is actually quite reasonable. But, you shouldn't be afraid of what they may do militarily speaking, you should be afraid of what they /already/ are doing with your civil liberties. Fighting for those now will mean a /much/ less change of bullets being exchanged later.

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This is true about my particular government, but most governments today are in bed with each other anyhow. Ours just happens to seem like the worst in the world because we're top dawg and everybody is always hating on us. I'm not saying the hate isn't justified in a lot of cases, and I'm not even saying that ours isn't the most guilty of infringing personal freedoms (Though I truly believe UK has that title), I'm just saying that our Governments shortcommings and lack of regard of it's citizen's civil liberties, or lack of respect for other countries and their governments and people at any particular time are always at the forefront of the news. We're easy to hate because we've been the big guy for so long. Just you wait. In our lifetimes, we'll both be hating on China the way we hate on my Government now.

I absolutely loathe the infringement of civil liberties our Government is taking all in the name of "public safety" or "for the children" or "for our health". It disgusts me. I can't even go to a strip club anymore in Cook County Illinois and smoke a damn cigarette. Sure, I can make a deal and get a BJ or even more off a girl who's never been tested for STD's and I can drink until my liver rots, but I can't light a cigarette. It's ludicris. And we've got the Surgeon General telling us that we're destroying the ozone layer and that we're killing babies by giving them SIDS. Great... I'm a baby killing planet killer now. Fuck that. Save it for the Humvee driving assholes who just knocked up their girlfriends and got an abortion.

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Basically, I don't blame you for preparing for the worst, so to say. But, why not fight for things to have the chance for things not to "come to a head"?

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Unfortunately, I don't believe there is anything that we can do to change the situation. No matter how much we bitch, there is still plenty of cake and circus to keep our minds off of the real issues and protecting our civil liberties. Just like they said in 1984, you're never going to get the proles to rise against. I'm waiting for the next great revolution, though I'm pretty confident our government has figured out how to keep its citizens just happy enough that they put up with all the bullshit every day while their civil liberties are slowy eroding away. It happens so damn slow that by the time anybody notices it, they're usually 50 years old and nobody listens to them complain about how it used to be when they were your age. The only way things will change now is if things get bad enough that people demand change, and yes, that may involve physical retaliation. I just hope the next McVeigh has enough foresight to make sure the building doesn't have any children in it so they can't just paint him a monster and dismiss any real reasons that might actually drive somebody to do such a monumental deed. Not trying to idolize McVeigh here... I'm just pointing out that nobody knows why he did it, but everybody knows that he killed a bunch of kids. It's easier for everyone not to start asking why a seemingly normal american kid with a military background might do such a thing when we can just paint him a bloodthirsty lunatic child killer.

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NOTE: Owning a gun (I don't have a problem with this) is very different from having a CCW license (which I /do/ have a problem with). Not sure if I made that clear e

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