atleast 20 killed in campus shooting at Virginia Tech
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
While I don't see it as my responsiblity to protect others, I can and will protect myself such as is reasonable and possible from for lack of a better word, baddies.
Sorry for saying so, but I have exactly zero confidence that you can do so without negatively effecting those in your line of fire, innocent or not. Go ahead and protect yourself in whatever way you want. But, as soon as it /is/ going to effect those around you, you have the responsibility to consider them.
As in, you may not have the responsibility to protect them from the danger that you will be protecting yourself from, but you have exactly the responsibility (and duty as a citizen) to protect them from yourself.Quote:
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Believe me, I'd *like* to live in a world where these kind of things don't happen, but as long as we do, I plan to ensure to the best of my ability that they don't happen to ME.
And what's so very wrong with that, then ?
That's an easy one given what you've just said. You see, there is no possible way that you can prevent these things from happening to you, period. Don't you see that carrying and using a firearm is /reactionary/. By definition a firearm can _not_ prevent. It can only be used to /react/ to a situation that has already happened!
And if you are as old and in as poor health as you imply, how exactly are you supposed to get "the drop" on someone who is likely to be in better health than you? Not to mention that they'll already be have there gun out and at the ready.
Don't you see that by pulling out your weapon (and possibly firing) your provoking an extremely dangerous reaction in an already dangerous situation? One that is more than just likely to cause people to be killed.
I honestly don't think that you've thought this through at all. Here's a clue. You're not the hero, and you're not going to save the day. You're going to get people killing by making that powder keg go off.
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Hey Frem.... This all sounds so familiar. Oh, I know! Doesn't this whole post seem like any arguement that people have against smoking and smokers too?
Fascists that spew this bile and their diseased mindsets infecting soccer moms and kids are the true terrorists in this country.
The cops were all over that one. They took care of it so fast that the perp was able to go across campus and kill a bunch more people.
Give my thanks to Rosie and Oprah for the families of the second wave of people who died SigmaNunki.
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Originally posted by Fletch2:
The problem with this survey is that it's too vague. Did you ask people in cities or people in the country? Did you ask folks on the same day or different times of year? Had there been any event in the area you surveyed before you conducted it.
You could ask the UN to do another one. currently, it's the best they got. Here's the survey and the explanation of their methodology.
http://ruljis.leidenuniv.nl/group/jfcr/www/icvs/Index.htm
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I knew a girl in college that would not go out a night during the winter...
I knew a woman who wouldn't leave her home at any time. She was afraid of germs.
My point was that I didn't know any of the "...have to carry a gun, are frightened of 10% of the people you meet, can't go into large parts of the city, lock your doors and windows at night and install a security system..." people that SignyM thinks Americans have become. If SignyM perceives things that way, I have no control over it, but I also see no evidence of it where I live.
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Quote:Maybe, but SO19 and Special Branch are a big part of britains domestic anti-terror responce, which I would suspect is a more credible reason for having more officers, assuming you're right I've not seen the figures. Also most of that crime spike was things like vandalism, though I'm sure NRA massaged figures will take anything as a sign guns make right. There's probably been more gun crime since tightening the ban, since you know owning one is now a crime. But the small fact that most of the increase is down too arresting people with illegal weapons is something you don't want know when you're trying to prove guns are good. Best to just say 'gun crime'
Originally posted by RojBlake:
Actually as I understand it more UK police can carry guns now, because their crime rate jumped, as did Australia...after they banned guns!
.Quote:If you say so, have you ever actually been to a 'European-socialist' country or is this just what the extreme right-wing blogs say?
The US also has a higher level of personal freedom than many Europeean-socialist countries.
Quote:Err, no the maximum tax bracket is 40%:
In the UK as I understand it you are taxed at 100% after a certain amount of money is obtained, which is why many UK actors & writers come to the US.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/Taxes/BeginnersGuideTo
Tax/DG_4015566
And secondly I imagine that the reason a MINORITY of British actors and writers go to the US is because of Hollywood, at a guess mind. I imagine the reason it seems to so many is because so many British Actors and Writers are so good.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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@Fremdfirma:
I find it funny that as soon as I bring in reality to the mix (e.g. my bringing up the repercussions to the actions that you say your willing to take) you try to take the high road. Sorry, but after /your/ reply to my first post here (saying I have problems upstairs and my "wishful" thinking gets people killed), what your doing is just hypocrisy and a cop-out.
Not to mention this post /you/ /made/:
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=28261#482241
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The shrink screwed the pooch on this one, they ARE compelled to do so, and he/she dropped the ball - take issue with that instead of whining.
And next time you shoot off your mouth, maybe load your brain first, cause it's the empty weapon that fires the loudest.
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@RojBlake:
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1) Licenses are a permission slip to do something that is otherwise illeagal.
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Um, where exactly do you get that? It's NOT illegal to own a gun, nor is it illegal to carry a gun. It's just illegal to do these things under certain specific conditions. This is *very* different than what you just said.
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2) Using this logic people who are poor become once again victims, serfs, & slaves (even if by other names)
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Saying things doesn't make it true. Hell, your not even justifying your position.
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3) Not once in all the years I've had a carry permit has anyone asked my about my level of training.
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Because they assume you have been trained properly. That's part of what a permit means. But, at the same time, just because you have a permit it doesn't mean that you have proper judgement, nor does it mean you're able to act (or act properly) under the extreme pressure similar to the one that started this discussion in the first place. Nor does it mean that by taking such action, it will make the situation better. In fact, by any reasoning, such actions would make the situation worse.
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4) Not once in all the years that I've owned firearms have I ever shot at a living soul.
5) I have lived in a neighborhood where a good friend of mines apartment was broken into 3 times, & I got to sleep for 2 nights on the floor of the outer room with a shotgun for company because the police couldn't/wouldn't take action.
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Um, why are you even bringing this up? Owning a shotgun wouldn't be restricted under reasonable gun control laws nor would it be restricted to have it in the home. Also, the main issue here is the carrying a concealed weapon thing, which isn't exactly in your example
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6) In the US because we do have a level of personal freedom everyone gets a free criminal act...& if it happens to be murder...
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What the hell are you taking about?
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7) The Texas sniper all those years ago...ex marine, Lee Harvey Oswald..ex Marine, there are many other examples, they had a high level of training & were trusted by the government to use deadly force...yes?
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You're going to have to help me with your point here. Because this stuff just re-enforces my opinion that your system is broken and it needs to be fixed with proper gun control measures. And with your examples, additionally, *far* better methods of psychological evaluation.
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8) The shooter (according to the official line) bought his guns leagally, therefore his name & background was run through the NCIC computers & the Government said it was ok to own a handgun
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So, you're pointing out a flaw in your system and saying that it doesn't need to be fixed then?
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9) As to the world has changed comment...is it safer, does man no longer make war against his brother, do governments no longer seek to subjugate thier people, do men no longer kill/maim to posess women/land/wealth etc.?
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What the hell are you talking about?
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10) Would you feel better if he drove an UPS truck packed with explosives into the lobby? (I can walk into any grocery store in the world & get the chemicals nessecasry to make 1 hekuva bomb)
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What are you talking about?!?!?
Dude, over half of what you said didn't mak
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Ain't discussin CCW with you Sigma, you're an unreasonable zealot about it in my opinion, and it would be a waste.
But one thing I really need to point out to you is one damn simple fact you're not taking into account.
YOU. DO. NOT. LIVE. HERE.
So don't be telling me how safe you are, where you are, and then deriding me, who lives somewhere else that isn't, that I should not take measures to mitigate that.
Would you reccommend disarmament to someone in Rwanda, because you think they are safe from the nice long distance you are viewing it from ?
You've stated your position, fine, I don't agree with you, you don't have to agree with me, and I left it at that, but you still feel some all fired need to press an attack - why ?
You might call upon some of the other posters who did discuss the matter reasonably with me instead of making jackass assumptions and see if they agree with your idiotic perception that I am some kind of wacko nut job.
But no, you wanna sling insults cause I won't play your game and listen to you insult me while ignoring most if not all of what I say, well that's too bad, I don't play that game with others around here, and I sure as hell won't play it with you.
I got my position, you got yours, have the damn decency to agree to disagree, and until you live and work in the same places I do, don't be applying your standards to me.
-Frem
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MORE PROOF OF US GANGSTA GOVT HITMAN AT VA TECH
Welcome to Virginia Tech, but leave your firearms at home
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“Your consistently correct attitude and demeanor ensured the ultimate success of this program. Your leadership and perseverance was instrumental in fostering a sense of teamwork and initiative among fellow staff members and airport stakeholders alike. We Protect: Dept of Defense Facilities and Military Installations."
-McNeil Technologies, CIA employer of sister of Korean VA Tech shooter
www.mcneilsecurity.com
Nice touch for Gangsta Govt to stand down (just like 9/11), and let the hitman mail out his DVD collection to NBC News (owned by Georges Bush, Bin Ladens, British prime ministers and Queen of England at Carlyle Group), kill an extra 30 people and self destruct, before he could be questioned about his controllers.
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VIDEO: VA TECH SHOOTER GIVES NBC ALL THE PROFITS:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1261402,00.html
VIDEO: PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON-BLYTHE ROCKEFELLER CONFESSES TO US GOVT MIND CONTROL PROGRAMS THAT KILL PEOPLE
Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments (ACHRE)
http://gwis.circ.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/radiation/
ACHRE was created by President Clinton on January 15, 1994 to investigate and report on the use of human beings as subjects of federally funded research.
Funny how these lone nuts have perfect finances, and never attack their capos in Gangsta Govt.
Funny how they are expert at using firearms to kill people, far exceeding the skills and kills of a typical hunter or soldier. The VA Tech shooter only used a 22-caliber handgun to kill most victims, with 3 shots each, TAKING ONLY ONE SECOND TO RELOAD MAGAZINES, according to this eyewitness survivor:
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Survivor: 'A Stench Of Death In Classroom'
A survivor of the college shootings, Garrett Evans, describes the horrifying moment when Cho Seung-Hui entered the classroom he was in and shot his fellow students. (1 min 38)
Sky News Video
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1261175,00.html
VIDEO: Charles Mesloh, Professor of Criminology at Florida Gulf Coast University, told NBC 2 News that he was shocked Cho could have killed 32 people with two handguns absent expert training, with a "60% fatality rate, that's unheard of with a 9mm - a 22 is for plinking at cans". Mesloh immediately assumed that Cho must have used a shotgun or an assault rifle. "I'm dumbfounded by the number of people he managed to kill with these weapons," said Mesloh, "The shooter performed like a pro. The only thing I can figure is that he got close to them and he simply executed them."
www.infowars.com/articles/us/va_tech_shooter_was_mind_controlled_assas
sin.htm
Was the shooter employed as a professional killer by Uncle Scam in US Marine Corps and/or college ROTC? ROTC scholarships require a signed contract to join the military after graduation, plus basic training camp during summer break at college.
WIKIPEDIA: "Cho in 2007. Source from friend"
Cho Seung Hui - The Chosen One with Mossad?
US Marine chosen by the Illuminati for Project Manchuria at VA Tech?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cho_Seung-hui
www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=295424943&
t=-1
Parents in the Korean mafia? Sex slavery, heroin, murder, etc for CIA and Bush Crime Family? The shooter of President Reagan, John Hinkley Jr, was a family friend of the Bush Crime Family, whose father ran CIA's World Vision mind control camp, that also employed the killer of John Lennon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hinkley
How many poor immigrant families send their rich kids to Ivy League college, to work for CIA?
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Sister of Virginia gunman belongs to Class of 2004
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
But one thing I really need to point out to you is one damn simple fact you're not taking into account.
YOU. DO. NOT. LIVE. HERE.
Well, here's the rub, I have lived there. I may no longer live there, but I have lived in the US. You'd know this if you read my above posts. So, much for that "fact".
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=28209#481553
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Would you reccommend disarmament to someone in Rwanda, because you think they are safe from the nice long distance you are viewing it from ?
Dude, are you seriously comparing the situation in the US with Rwanda?!?! If only this, it tells everyone here that you are not capable of civil discourse, at least not on this topic, not with someone that has the opposite position of you.
It's either that, or your skin is so very thin, you can't handle even one of your ideas being called crap.
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You've stated your position, fine, I don't agree with you, you don't have to agree with me, and I left it at that, but you still feel some all fired need to press an attack - why ?
Perhaps, just perhaps, if you looked at your own behaviour, you'd find the answer to your question. I'll also point out that YOU wanted this issue to drop, YOU would stop posting. You see, this is just another aspect of your hypocrisy. YOU are giving me things to reply to and then complaining that I'm replying to them.
Did you honestly think that I/we wouldn't see this?
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
You might call upon some of the other posters who did discuss the matter reasonably with me instead of making jackass assumptions and see if they agree with your idiotic perception that I am some kind of wacko nut job.
But no, you wanna sling insults cause I won't play your game and listen to you insult me while ignoring most if not all of what I say, well that's too bad, I don't play that game with others around here, and I sure as hell won't play it with you.
I got my position, you got yours, have the damn decency to agree to disagree, and until you live and work in the same places I do, don't be applying your standards to me.
Pot kettle black.
Basically, you can't complain when people are aggressive toward you, when they are only reacting to YOUR aggressiveness towards them.
I mean seriously. Sure, I called "Unarmed Victims Here!" "utter crap". Which IMO it is. But, you had a choice to make with regards to your response. You could either argue your case, or be rude. YOU chose the latter. YOU chose to take it as a personal insult instead of a comment on a comment you made.
To be explicit, I called /a comment/ that you made crap, but you insulted /me/ after that. You put words in /my/ mouth that were actually offensive and then ran with them as if I said them. Which btw you are /continuing to do/.
There is a world of difference there and I don't think that you understand that.
As for ignoring most of what you said... please. How then, did I comment on most (if not all) of what you said if I was ignoring "most if not all" of what you said.
Though I must say though that YOU are completely guilty of this. I made *lots* of points that you /never/ commented on. God forbid if you would actually acknowledge that though, eh? God forbid if you would take some responsibility for YOUR actions.
There is a nice quote that I've heard quite a lot over the past couple years:
"I cannot control what you do. But, I can control what I do."
If you want this to end here, then let it end here. If you want to continue with actual discussion, then continue. But, don't keep saying that you don't want to discuss and then keep posting.
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Wasn't Rwanda mostly disarmed of firearms, so the killers used machetes to "disarm" the "unarmed" sheeple (Christians), by hacking their arms off?
After hunting, military prep school and USAF, I was sick of weapons. But after 9/11, perped by our own Gangsta Govt, I went shopping for as much firepower as I could afford. Suitable for killing heavily armed people. Though as VA Tech and Mafia hitmen prove, even a 22 can do the job at close range.
Funny how Bush picked NYC and DC for his 9/11 Massacres, where the sheeple are already disarmed... Funny how he used martial law to disarm the high-and-dry rich folks in New Orleans, where rotting corpses still fill 100,000 homes, and 75,000 black slaves still live in a concentration camp next door to Union Carbide's toxic waste factory.
"An armed society is a polite society."
—Robert A. Heinlein
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Originally posted by Sigmanuki:
I was wondering when you'd show up and call me a terrorist. Funny how people like you just ridicule instead of actually addressing the reality of the situation that I bring up.
Get your head out of your righteous ass sigma. I'm a pacifist by nature, I'm against the war, my hatered for Demoncrats is rivaled only by my hatered for Repuglicans, I don't go around calling people terrorists (please show me one single example other than this), and Bush is an asshat. I've said all of these things countless times in here. What the hell are you talking about?
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Tell me, how exactly is pulling a gun on someone who is already at the ready going to "save the day"? i.e. reality isn't a John Wayne movie.
As I've also said before I don't own a gun even. I've never fired one. I feel safe because we live in a country that respects its citizens right to bear arms. If they made them illegal for all citizens, I would already own one now. As I've said before, I'm a pacifist by nature. I don't trust our government, and that's the main reason why I feel it's important to own guns. I'm more afraid of our government than I am any terrorist or sick freak who shoots up a school.
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And btw, if you read my above posts, you'd know that if I had my say, classes would have been canceled for at least that day i.e. the second shooting wouldn't have happened as the campus would have been evacuated.
I agree that it should have been evacuated while dipshit was out mailing his manifesto to CBS or wherever it went. And I'm sure that would have been at least as successful as the evacuations during Katrina.
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Here's another question for the US'ers here, what does how this situation played out say about the mentality of your society in general. I mean seriously, a shooting occurred and it was perceived so lightly that the day went on as normal when the perp wasn't found?!?!?
You want the truth? Actually, since I know nobody who died or any of their family members I really don't care about this incident at all. My first thought was "Oh great. More fodder for the anti-gun, anti-tobacco, anti-alcahol fascists". If I didn't live in America, I would hear about a lot more incidents like this because they're happening all over the world every day. Somebody is probably getting shot or stabbed or blown up while I write this. I don't care about these people. If somebody is coming after me or mine, however, I will do whatever is in my power to protect them. And if that meant firing a weapon that was deemed illegal by an ever increasingly fascist government, I will face that music after I've made sure that the people I care about are safe.
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But, don't keep saying that you don't want to discuss and then keep posting.
Then don't go digging in some other thread to take a comment out of context and use it here as a personal slam.
No, I *don't* wanna discuss it with you, you're coming across in a fashion that strikes me as completely irrational and deliberately, maliciously insulting from the get go, so I suspect your motives.
I have made my position abundantly clear and reasonable in a different thread (the one relating to sheep, if you care), and I plan to leave it at that, yet you felt the need to take a shot at me long after the fact, and again when I suggested we agree to disagree on this one.
I am not Cit, and will not be baited into a thread-destroying tit-for-tat game here, you wanna continue to slam and insult, fine, be my guest, but you'll be talking to yourself, cause I got nothin left to say to you, period.
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