America is raising a bunch of sheep
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Rue: Gotta say it, you go girl!
As you've pointed out, there are many options when it comes to preventing crime against you, not the least of which is de-escalating the situation and/or doing one's best to avoid it in the first place, and yes some times it comes down to a swift and effective defense, convincing them you aren't worth the effort to victimize.
Also, decent security measures and situational awareness are extremely useful in preventing it from coming to that, sure, some can take that to a paranioac level, and some do, but from what you've expressed here, I think we're completely on the same page about it, really.
It really does fall down to what I call the three stage method.
The three priorities of "Situation Management", in order.
A - Avoid it happening in the first place.
B - Get the hell out of dodge.
C - Find cover if possible and call in the cavalry.
D - Defend yourself.
The big problem is that folks for whatever reason seem to assume someone who carries would go straight to D, and that is most certainly not the case.
Had I been there, say on the 3rd/4th floor, the first thing I would have done is look for a window!, I figure my chances of surviving a fall are a lot better than surviving getting shot, believe it.
If the fall looked too dangerous or for whatever reason I couldn't get to a window, I would move towards an exit if possible *away* from the sound of gunfire, using cover and trying to be discreet about it if at all possible - I do not know the layout of the building, but if there were more than one stairwell the option does present itself.
If the shots were coming from between me and the only exit from the building, I would look for good cover and a place to hide, and hope to hell he went somewhere else, having heard a cellphone recording of the shots being fired, I certainly would NOT move to engage, that's crazy and I wouldn't be sanguine of my chances one on one with someone or someones so well armed, oh hell no.
You'll note if you look carefully, that I am *not* one of the people saying that if X percentage of folk were armed they would have dropped this guy, nor suggesting anyone should have drawn and moved to engage, that's just plain flat lunacy, and leads to all manner of idiocy, like would-be defenders shooting each other by mistake, not to mention it's tacticaly foolish because you are giving up a solid defensive position for an aggressive one in an unknown situation - that's just dumb.
If caught out in a classroom with no windows I would have quickly shoved whatever mobile furniture was available in front of the door and taken a position in whatever possible cover was available out of direct line with the door, and hoped to hell the cavalry got off their asses, while if at all possible communicating the approximated location of the shots to a 911 dispatcher so they have at least a best-guess of where the shooter is.
If the perp got to pounding on/shooting through the door - I would just sensibly stay put and out of the line of fire and hope not to catch a richochet if any.
If the perp got *through* the door, or began to batter it down, then and ONLY then, would I draw, and double check the line of fire - and if there were other folk in that line and naught but soft interior walls, I would reholster and grab a chair, cause it's not for me to risk their lives to protect my own.
And at that point, if the perp comes through the door and spots me, and if I have a safe shot, then and only then would it come to that - or alternatively if I had no safe shot, a thrown chair tends to foul up ones aim pretty good, especially followed in with a bum rush, but I am no kung-fu master and wouldn't fancy my chances against an armed perp, even one who's just been clouted by a chair, but sometimes your options are more limited than you would like.
The entire concept is *preventing* it from coming to that, but in the extremely rare case that it does I plan to have something a bit more than faith to go on, and the little piece barely weighs 18oz, barely a li
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Frem- Obviously you're not a moron.
Part of the problem is the initial sense of shocked WTF?. It happens when a plane starts to fall out of the sky. When gunfire breaks outs. When a dark figure is standing in your dining room. There is a sense of disbelief. This can't be happening. Young people from nice backgrounds on a quiet campus are not situationally aware. Most prolly didn't even know what "gunfire" sounds like. I think self defense education might help. If you think that someone might jump out at you from the bushes, you learn not to walk next to them or to whistle.
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Always look upstream.
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I would just like to point out that if this country were populated by sheep, cannibalism would be much more common....
"I am your father, Luke. Give in to the Dark Side, you nob!" - Doug McKenzie
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
..."someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!"
Fucking A right!...best post of this thread!...simple & to the point. 6 million of my people walked like sheep into the concentration camp gas chambers...never again, not me.
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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
..."someone tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back!"
Fucking A right!...best post of this thread!...simple & to the point. 6 million of my people walked like sheep into the concentration camp gas chambers...never again, not me.
First off, a lot of them didn't know that those were gas chambers, second off there was guns involved, if you are surrounded by people with guns who hate you and they are all saying "get in the building" your choices are quite limited.
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"Your people"? As opposed to "my people"? I always thought people were just people.
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Two things-
ONE, when did this thread go from mourning thirty-two lost souls to pros and cons of gun-control?
TWO, in response to Rue, I think I may have led ye to a misunderstanding. If I did, My apologies. What I am suggesting is giving guns to folk what pass the ruttin' test to have 'em- a history of drunkenness, disorderly, etc..., and your out at first strike. People will always find some way to kill yu- where you said that places had VERY strict anti-gun laws, homocides are still present- problem is, how many of those were because of illegal firearms? Sad truth is, folk are sadistic. They can't pass up such a gorram easy way to get what they want, whether it's money or general mayhem. What I said (Or hope I said) was that guns dispersed in the general public would serve as a deterrent to most folks who may use their guns for any criminal activities- granted, there will be psychopaths who won't give a damn, and yes, they will be a problem. But, gun related activities could drop by a goodly percentage if peope knew that there was a high chance that drawing a gun first will get 'em shot. Sorta like a Mexican Standoff, just a bit. First one what shoots is the first shot, cuz, face it... most folks what have a gun simply can't use 'em. Stupid ass gangbangers tryin' to look cool while shootin' one handed and pullin' up their ruttin' pants with the other...
It ain't somethin' what'll solve every problem. Still, what sane man goes up against several loaded pistols, which are, mind Clear and out in the open. Yes, yes, I know... psychopaths. They're a given; why not prepare for and stop what ya can?
Having fun yet?
-Danny
A Ghost is all that's Left,
Of everything we Swore we Never would Forget,
Tried to bleed the Sickness,
But we drained our Hearts instead,
We are... We are the DEAD!!!!!!!!!!
THRICE RULES!!!!!!!!!
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"Sad truth is, folk are sadistic."
I keep seeing this posted like it's god's truth. It isn't true. You need to live in a country for a while where this doesn't happen. There are several on the globe.
Homicides happen for all sorts of reasons - extreme poverty, lack of education, societal attitudes and availability of weapons.
But the US is alone in developed nations in its high firearm homicide rate. (The US is 0.0279271 per 1,000, the next highest is Switzerland 0.00534117, the UK a mere 0.00102579.) http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_wit_fir_percap-crime-murders
-firearms-per-capita
What do YOU think causes this?
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Originally posted by rue:
What do YOU think causes this?
http://www.strangefinger.com/america.mpg
"Gott kann dich nicht vor mir beschuetzen, weil ich nicht boese bin."
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For Rue, The way you are thinking is not to fight back it didn't work for Va Tech student that's the point of the radio callers and mine who called in. The police were called and luckily the shooter killed himself because the cops did not do didly. The War on Terror has nothing to do with this thread.
For Hippie, Untrained shooters whom so people buy guns and never shoot them right. That is really a stupid remark. Why do cowards always think the bad guy is some special forces trained GI. You remind of the wimpy white people in high school who grabbed my arm when I went to defend myself against a bully. yeh all talk
"Battle of Serenity, Mal. Besides Zoe here, how many-" "I'm talkin at you! How many men in your platoon came out of their alive".
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