America is raising a bunch of sheep
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UPDATED: Sunday, April 5, 2026 17:35
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Originally posted by rue:
Hi Fred,
I was noticing that in that one post violence was the ONLY solution he/she offered. Which is where I got my first impression.
It's understandable, when this subject comes up those of us who are perfectly willing to use violence without a second thought to defend ourselves usually don't make it clear that doesn't mean that we are ONLY willing to use violence.
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Which makes me wonder why a women could ever be forced to perform oral sex. Teeth - meet penis.
Well would you bite the dick of a guy with a gun in your face? Sure you get the satisfaction of causing a lot of pain, but you're probably gonna die for it, not a good trade IMO.
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Well would you bite the dick of a guy with a gun in your face?
That comes in the category of 'people with guns' - one of the things that does scare me. But as to what I'd be willing to do with a gun pointed at me - I'm about 9 for 9 getting out of 'situations'. I'd certainly consider it if I thought the circumstances were right. I can imagine other things to do - pretend to faint and become an unwieldy object to manipulate comes to mind as useful. People who get out of situations - hostage situations, plane crashes and such - get out with luck and pluck. If it's not your day you're toast. But inevitably the lucky people who have time and who keep thinking and keep trying different things are the ones who get through.
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That said, I'm VERY safety/ security conscious. I don't go into buildings or drive under/ on overpasses without checking out what I'd do in case of an earthquake. I always lock doors. I make sure my cell phone is charged and at hand at all times. I have motion sensors at home on either end of the hall - and the bedrooms off the hall have locking doors and window exits. I got my EMT license and keep refreshed on CPR. I ALWAYS stop for accidents to render aid when there is no on scene. I sit near the exits on airplanes and review the instructions. I even introduce myself and make deals with the people sitting next to me - I'll do this if you do that. And so on.
I don't consider myself a wishful-thinking space case. And I don't think we 'need' guns to make us safer. The statistics say otherwise.
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Did I ever tell you about the time we were broken into, and I met the guy in my dark dining room early AM? I almost got my head blown off by a cop that morning when he mistook me in the dark for the robber. I later spoke to our downstairs neighbor, dear Mrs McClusky, the sweetest little old lady you'd ever want to meet. She showed me the revolver that she had... said she squeeezed the trigger but nothing happened so she looked down the barrel (showed me how) to see if there were any bullets in it. I had two pieces of advice: NEVER point the gun at yourself, and point the gun DOWN to test it. (We lived upstairs.) Well, we got the shortest-barreled shotgun that was still legal that day. And I was SOOO jumpy I almost blew the mail-carrier away the next day! If he'd known what was on the other side of that mail slot, he would've crapped on the spot. Since the robber was unarmed, guns had the real potential for a bad situation far far worse. Like the Keystone Cops, but armed.
And then there was the hole that got blown in our ceiling by accident on New Year's Eve. Let me tell you, guns and alcohol don't mix. After a moment of shocked silence, in which I pictured our townhouse neighbors dialing 911 as fast as their fingers could work, I yelled out "HAPPY NEW YEAR!"
I own a gun. I used to go "plinking" so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with them. But I've been in enough situations to reqalize that guns are not the answer, and in a lot of cases they can be the problem.
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Originally posted by SignyM:
Let me tell you, guns and alcohol don't mix.
There's an enormous number of things that don't mix with alcohol, unfortunately our society is so obsessed with alcohol that everything that shouldn't be done with alcohol inevitably is.
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Quote:So, let's look at college campuses. Rife with binge drinking. Add football games. Add frat parties. Add guns.
There's an enormous number of things that don't mix with alcohol, unfortunately our society is so obsessed with alcohol that everything that shouldn't be done with alcohol inevitably is.
Everyone thinks that if only "someone" had a gun they could have taken Cho out. In the IDEAL world that's what would happen. But now lets assume that Cho is shooting. Someone or perhaps several someones take out their guns and shoot back. More bullets flying. Perhaps it becomes difficult to know who the original shooter is because TOO MANY people are shooting. Possibly "contagious shooting" takes over. Is that really a better situation?
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Originally posted by SignyM:
I own a gun. I used to go "plinking" so I'm not entirely unfamiliar with them. But I've been in enough situations to reqalize that guns are not the answer, and in a lot of cases they can be the problem.
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Too bloody true. Look at the VA Tech shooting; guns killed thirytwo folk what didn't deserve it, and one what did.
Touching on what Rue said, though; it does no one any bloody good if people have a gun licene and you can't posess it in public. Sure, if you conceal it you should get arrested or shot, that's just stupid and asking for it. But, if you have people walking about, with weapons in the open, then most folk are unlikely to try any activities involing shooting at other folks. It's a balance.
Also, you said that 9/9 times you were able to use your wits to get out of a sticky situation? Well, Rue, what if, on the tenth time, you can't? When that guy is determined to shoot you or mug you or rob you or somesuch and he WILL NOT STOP UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD? There are some really fucked up folk out there, and no amount of resoning or consueling or consoleing will stop them. Now give them a gun. Now give them some type of trigger. Now you have Colombine. Now you have VA Tech.
Not to sound like I'm attackin' you, cuz I ain't, but I'm pretty sure that the crying mothers would have liked some folk there to have a gun or somesuch to STOP that guy before he got to the second spot.
Maybe I'm wrong; maybeif you give more folks guns, the murders will skyrocket. But, until that happens, we'll never know. And until somebody finds a better way to stop these psychos, I will continue to stand behind the idea that more folks should go around armed, just in case.
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Originally posted by rue:
Which makes me wonder why a women could ever be forced to perform oral sex. Teeth - meet penis.
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I have considered the question myself and have come to the following conclusion. If for some reason it doesnt work or at least isn't completely debilitating then the guy WILL kill you or leave you in a very bad condition. I think women in that situation cooperate in the hope that doing what the perp wants will minimise the chances of her own injury and death, once the teeth come out that chance goes away.
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What if "he WILL NOT STOP UNTIL YOU ARE DEAD?
If I'm shot from a distance, I'm toast anyway. If the person who is threatening me is unarmed at a distance, that's not much of a threat, is it? If my life is in danger and I am within arm's reach I will do ANYTHING I can to stay live - and my gun will not be very useful.
But there is more to your question. The problem is you're looking at one exceptional instance and trying to draw broad policy.
As I've said elsewhere, 75% of gun intentional homicides are "unknown", "other" and "argument out of control". By having guns - and I'd say specifically handguns - available, you're creating a 75% incidental problem over a 25% felonious one. If guns were not available, not only would you reduce the incidental gun homicide rate- which is by far the largest problem - you'd reduce the felonious one as well.
Further, look back to the DOJ post showing 100% rise in gun homicides that dropped precipitously right after the Brady Bill was passed.
Guns ARE the problem, not the answer.
But I know why people cling to them. It's the same reason people chose to drive rather than fly. Even though statistically driving is MUCH more dangerous than flying, people are more comfortable with risks under their (perceived) direct control. Other factors being equal, a society where people have guns is factually more dangerous, but people are comforted by having a gun which puts the situation under their (perceived) control. It's completely irrational and not a good reason to set policy, but that's why people make the judgments they do.
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I repeat my previous post: Everyone thinks that if only "someone" had a gun they could have taken Cho out. In the IDEAL world that's what would happen. But now lets assume that Cho is shooting. Someone or perhaps several someones take out their guns and shoot back. More bullets flying. Perhaps it becomes difficult to know who the original shooter is because TOO MANY people are shooting. Possibly "contagious shooting" takes over. Is that really a better situation?
A lot of people are comparing messy reality with an ideal (gun) solution. But if guns had been allowed on-campus, would we now be talking about the number of dead who were shot by accident? Or would we be living with 3-5 students dead every year due to shootings at drunken frat parties and football games as the price to pay for "self defense"?
Perhaps the answer is better self-defensive response on the part of students: barricading doors. Or better police response. Or creating an NCIS record for disturbed people.
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