Don Imus - Another One Bites The Dust

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SHINYED

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:24 PM

Imus came to New York radio in 1971. There was tremendous buzz and fanfare about this guy who was "revolutionizing" radio. So I listened....I was not impressed. Now 36 years later he's made mega-millions form his show where he has consistently been way over the line on a myriad of issues and statements. The guy turned into some sort of demented Ebeneezer Scrooge of the airwaves, slinging vitriol at just about everything....bashing Jews, Catholics, Homosexuals, Vietnamese, Republicans, Democrats, etc etc ...He became the sick old twisted Universal Hater.

But now he called the Rutger's Women's BBall team " nappy-headed ho's ". Oh the horror! Sure he's gotta go, and sure that remark was vile...but where's the outrage been for 30 years?
Before Howard Stern migrated to satellite, he made his living on the radio calling women skanky ho's and bitches, and routinely denigrated homosexuals...along with his daily barrage of sexually charged conversation for the morning drive the kids to school hour. So with Imus... Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

HERO

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:
So with Imus... Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

Jackson said it on FOX yesterday. Its because NBC does not have any black hosts. Not since they fired Jackson for his EXTREMELY low ratings.

But it is unusual. Good thing Imus is a liberal or else he'd be in real trouble (remembering Limbaugh's all too brief career on Monday Night Football which ended after a slightly unfavorable review of a certain Eagles QB of color).

H

WHODIED

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:50 PM

I would think you'd be an Imus fan, Universal hate seems to be your gig:

Originally posted by ShinyEd:

The Democratic voter base is now made up of the most miscreantic elements of America:
Atheists
Anarchists
Homosexuals
Ex-felons
Illegal aliens
Welfare recipients
Dopeheads
Radical environmentalists
Socialists
Secular Progressives
etc etc ...unfortunately this base is now larger than the base of good character, hard-working, traditional American family folk.

(from IPCC thread)

--WhoDied

_______________________

What freakin' bizarro world did I wake up in?

SHINYED

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:11 PM

WHo died... I don't think your reply is at all relevant to this issue.

1) I am not on the radio or TV
2) I never said I hate anyone
3) I never used vile, derogatory descriptions of people.

What I did post ( that you so wonderfully resurrected ) is a statement of what I believe to be the voter base of the Democrat Party....based of course on voting records and Democrat fund raising information.

FREMDFIRMA

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:29 PM

Excuse me for a second while I sneer at your stupid ignorance.

The idea of Anarchists being democrats is so laughable as to be needful of extra-special mockery of anyone who espouses such an idiotic concept.

This is me, mocking you.

-F

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:50 PM

If any of those un-washed, vile idiots actually vote who do you think they vote for? I seriously doubt any of them vote for Republicans.

Also...you & Rue & Citizen need to stop attacking FF Fans because of what they post. I've read plenty of your posts & they clearly indicate a superiority complex coupled with a demented view of the world. Step off your high horse and go mock yourself.

KANEMAN

Tuesday, April 10, 2007 11:54 PM

He was right they are nappy headed hoes

ERIC

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If any of those un-washed, vile idiots actually vote who do you think they vote for?

Nader.

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:23 AM

"... they clearly indicate a superiority complex coupled with a demented view of the world. Step off your high horse and go mock yourself."

So everyone can be all-knowing and perfect like -- you ?

SIGNYM

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 12:52 AM

Quote:
He was right they are nappy headed hoes

But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

---------------------------------
Always look upstream.

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:08 AM

He was a rake without doubt. His money was spent on gambling and other affairs more sordid and less conversational. Slightly past the age of callow youth, his dissipations had already marked his mien with an air of men over twice his age.

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:16 AM

I listened to the comments that caused the uproar. They say a lot more about Imus' view of women than they do about anything else. He talks about both the Rutgers and Tennessee teams. According to Imus, the Rutgers women athletes are "nappy headed hos" and the Tennessee women athletes are "cute." Anything about their skills as basketball players? Anything about their ability to execute on offense or defense as a team? Anything about anything related to basketball? Nope. Hos or cute. That's all he could come up with after watching the national championship game.

Stupid idiot.

DAYVE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:35 AM

What's more disturbing to me is not so much what these talk radio guys, (Imus, Limbaugh, Stern, etc.), say - as it is the people who take them seriously. These guys are carnival barkers hawking their own stupid opinions just to sell something - don't listen to them - form your own opinion, don't let some moron tell you how to think....

and for what it's worth - Imus should lose his job for his racist, sexist remarks - but he won't...

ROCKETJOCK

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:17 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
He was right they are nappy headed hoes
But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

But all he wanted to do was call a spade a spade...

(Before I get flamed, remember, this is text only, you don't know what color I am...)

"Hermanos! The Devil has built a Robot! Andale!" -- Numero Cinco

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:58 AM

He didnt say anything new. Rappers(black or white) say it all the time if not more so. Yet no one goes after them?

This is a freedom of speech country, once you take that away, then get the Nazi flag out.

From what i understand about him he has one of the lowest ratings, so what a total of 10 people heard it. He is paid by NBC, and they act like it is something new. I think it is also funny how people like Chris Matthews from Hardball, wanted to get on his show so many times, now he is willing to hang him out to dry, hahah

Say what you want about the right, but it is always the left who start the name calling when it come to the battle of ideas.

I dont agree with what he said, but come on, nappy and ho, are not curse words. I heard Jay Leno and Dave Letteman use the word "Bitch" so where is the N.O.W. group going after them for the demeaning words towards women?

Like Jesse Jackson, Louis Farakan and other black leaders dont say commits all the time about white people, no one is looking to get them fired!!

Hell, Hillery Cliton made a commint about Asia Indians "Gandi couldnt be here, he was working at a 7-11." uh , didnt hear the ACLU slap her around like Imus, She should be fired, but she wont.

I just think "Let he who is without sin , cast the first stone." and the left wing media should shut up.

The team acts like their life is over cause of this, well i bet none of them even listen to his program, so why should they care? i dont care what any of you think of me. you think if some one called me a "ho" i would stop my life and get all upset. they are looking for all kinds of attention and the left wing media is willing to help them with that.

I heard the team talk today on the news and all their commints sounded scripted and fake. they looked like they didnt know what the heck was going on. but when they stepped up the mic they have all these statements. then after the press conferance, they couldnt answer a serious question. not to say they are stupid or anything, but you could tell they were not as upset as TV were making them.

but it makes a good story!

Keep Flying!!

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:25 AM

Quick question, Tholo, since when did freedom of speech mean that no one could challenge the assholitability of said speech?

Sounds to me like you want to limit the freedom of speech of those who are speaking out against what Imus said.

This sends me off on a tangent, not particularly related to you, Tholo, unless you choose to own the personality I'm describing...

I've seen a general trend in growing whininess from haters. They want to be able to say anything. But they don't want to deal with the consequences of exposing their small-mindedness. Shit like, "Calling me a racist is trying to limit my freedom of speech." Yeah, right. Pull the other one, it's got bells on. They're just pissed that they can't say openly what their parents and grandparents could. They long for the days when you could beat the shit out of a black man for looking at a white woman and, not only wouldn't you go to jail, but you'd probably get your neighbors to join in. They have limited capacity to appreciate that progress in the way we think about America has left those days in the dust. At least in certain areas. Hell, I'd still keep my eyes on the ground if I was a black man in Idaho.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:51 AM

You misunderstand, i have no real problem with what the media is saying , cause you are right freedom of speech. i understand the point of it. but dont jump on one when hundreds are saying the same thing. double standards dont work with me. this seems to be a classic case. that i guess is my main point.

if you are going to hang Imus for a racist commint then hang Jesse Jackson too, thats all.

i dont want to hang any of them, but you understand my point??

"assholitability of said speech?"
you are right, so why not Louise Farakan and others.

Like i said i think what he said was wrong, but he is not the only one spilling hate speech, so why is he the one with a target on is back? why not rappers(black or white, i dont care pick one)for all of their assholitability of said speech.
ya know. thats all i am trying to say. but the media wont do that will they? double standard.

hillery wont get a second of air time about some of her flat out hate commints, but Imus will for a off color(no pun)bad joke.

Keep Flying!!

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:11 AM

Simple. We have a long history on this continent of whites owning blacks and treating them like animals. Hundreds of years. And even after slavery was ruled illegal we had more than a hundred years of terrorism directed against blacks by whites. Any racist comment by whites come with that historical baggage. It's an attempt to remind people of their place, whether intentional on the part of the speaker or not, and taps into all that history of word and deed and action and threat and violence and rape and murder.

Racist comments by blacks do not have that historical baggage because blacks have never been in the position of absolute dominance over whites.

It's the difference between kicking up and kicking down. One is a lot more effective.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:53 AM

that is such a cop out answer. every race has problems with other races. that has been around for 10's of 1000's of years. hell their are other countries that are still fighting. look at the middle east and isreal(sp), look at prostents and catholics, jews and germans, irsh and english,(300) greeks and persians, etc.

that is why we are the best country in the world. the usa is the only counrty in the history of the world to free slaves by themselves. the slaves didnt have to fight for it, ya know. i dont mean that there wasnt a fight, but compaired to the other slaves owners in the history of the world, we(USA)freed them on our own will. ya understand what that means.

we stood up and said "no slaves in this country." what other country has done that before us? sheeites and sounis Iraq, still fight each other, is that what we want?
Unite Gorramit. United States of America!!!

not alot of uniting with , he owes me, ya know.

so if they keep that going, it will never end. and that will be their own doing. all of our ancestors have been some form of slave at one time or another, but you dont see me jumping up and down every time a commint is made. but it is so easy to keep it going and to still say that some how the white man is holdin the black man down and he owes us. Let it go. i have.

i am not saying forget the past, but no body has held the black man down. it is just easy to say he has been. Hell, Spain owned slaves, but i dont see any heat going that way. white people did not have a monolopy on slaves.

i dont agree with slaves, i dont want to loose that part of our history, because it is needed.

they have historical baggage because they choose to keep it. right is right and wrong is wrong, regerdless of who says it(black or white).

Keep Flying!!

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:58 AM

Gandhi comment
Clinton came under criticism in 2004 after saying that Mahatma Gandhi "ran a gas station down in Saint Louis." This comment represented a stereotyped view of South Asians living in the United States. Clinton apologized, blamed "a lame attempt at humor," and claimed that she "admired the work and life of Mahatma Gandhi and had spoken publicly about that many times." [48] Michelle Naef, administrator of the M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence said she didn't think Clinton was trying to demean Mahatma Gandhi and credited both Clintons as long having supported the Gandhi message. However, Naef said that Clinton's remarks were offensive and could be "incredibly harmful." [49]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton_controversies#Gand
hi_comment

Keep Flying!!

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:16 AM

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Originally posted by Tholo:
i am not saying forget the past, but no body has held the black man down. it is just easy to say he has been. Hell, Spain owned slaves, but i dont see any heat going that way. white people did not have a monolopy on slaves.

Sorry. You're just flat out wrong.

Do a little reading about what happened between 1890 and 1960 in terms of race relations in the United States.

Or you can keep those blinders on.

* edited to change the quote and add a link for you to read: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2006/12/eliminationism-in-america-vi.html

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:22 AM

"Say what you want about the right, but it is always the left who start the name calling when it come to the battle of ideas." Really ! Well, alrighty then.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:39 AM

so you are saying the civil war was fought for nothing? (the war was in 1861-1863 you read up)

In September 1862, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation made the freeing of slaves
, now you want to talk about civil libery, yea that is a diffent message board, for another time. but slaves in USA have been free since 1862.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery

what about hate, their own people sold them. no mention on that i guess huh.

this unites us,huh? well i will keep my blinders on. i will look toward the future and not forget the past, as to not repeat it. i will try to keep faith and not keep dividing this country, the one everyone the world wants to live and the one with free speech.

Keep Flying!!

SOUPCATCHER

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:53 AM

Many towns ran their black population out in the early part of the twentieth century and have kept them out, through a variety of means, to this day.

Some of those towns had signs on the city limits, up into the 1960s and 1970s saying, "Nigger, don't let the sun set on you in X."

That's a lot more recent than the Civil War.

Freeing the slaves was an important first step in living up to the potential that is the US. Thinking that hundreds of years of institutionalization of racism that was necessary for slavery as practiced on this continent to flourish just went away with the stroke of a pen is naive.

Everyone is the hero of their own story. How do you reconcile owning another human being as property and still think of yourself as good? You create a narrative that allows you to do both. And you pass that narrative along to your children.

And we're still teaching our children the hate of our forefathers because it's easier than acknowledging that we still have a long way to go as a country.

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 9:21 AM

Soup, I think there might be more to it than that, so pardon while I ramble on and try to put my finger on it. When the dominant society declares a group to be it's 'nigger' it's doing more than name-calling. They have the power to bring to bear everything it means. That's why they're called the 'dominant' group - because they dominate the lives of everyone else. So they are marking the group as unworthy, bringing to bear their group weight on the others, and inculcating their self-assigned superiority on the next generation.

It was and is and tool used to make others heel.

When minority groups use the same words they are without the implied ability to make them real.

It's not just the words, it's who uses them and the power behind the group.

FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:14 AM

Quote:
that is why we are the best country in the world. the usa is the only counrty in the history of the world to free slaves by themselves. the slaves didnt have to fight for it, ya know.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA, read a history book sometime, it might do you good.
The rest of the world had or had nearly, phased it out and looked upon the colonies as a buncha immoral barbarians for still having it.

The civil war was a helluva a lot more complicated than the heavily politicized capsule version taught in public schools these days, it was primarily about economics and the distribution of power between the federal government and the states, with slavery being a mere side issue that neither side primarily gave a damn about beyond using it politically to bash the other.

That blind hoo-rah idealism of america as some kind of good-guys utopia is the kind of idiotic wishful thinking that lands us into some gawdawful messes, we're neither the best, nor the worst, and our history is full of both darkness and light, but to be blinded by that light and not remember the darkness ensures it's lessons will be forgotten and repeated.

That bein said, in order to be offended by what someone says, i'd have to first give a damn what they think, which in the case of this dweeb, not hardly.

Sure, it's a little overboard in both directions, and he should man up and apologize to them in person, but beyond that it's not any of my business if it ever was in the first place.

BUT - he chose to deliver that insult in front of a massive audience, and the fault for that is entirely his own, he wanted that publicity and he got it, that's what shock-jocks do.. if you wanna really retaliate, just ignore them, because if you give in to it, you're admitting to giving a crap what they think of you.

Me, I could care less what some pinhead I don't know and wouldn't like if I did thinks of me, and if more folks held that attitude, we wouldn't have a lot these furballs now would we ?

Just sayin...

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

HERO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 1:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
that is why we are the best country in the world. the usa is the only counrty in the history of the world to free slaves by themselves. the slaves didnt have to fight for it, ya know. i dont mean that there wasnt a fight, but compaired to the other slaves owners in the history of the world, we(USA)freed them on our own will. ya understand what that means.

Maybe you just have not seen that movie coming out about William Wilberforce...

H

SHINYED

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:07 PM

I'm no historian, but I can think of many instances where slaves were freed without having to fight for it :

Egypt : Allowed the Hebrews to leave with Moses
England : Abolished slavery decades before America

Actually I cannot think any group of slaves in history that fought their way to freedom....Spartacus tried against the Romans, but failed.

ERIC

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 3:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:

In September 1862, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation made the freeing of slaves
, now you want to talk about civil libery, yea that is a diffent message board, for another time. but slaves in USA have been free since 1862.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a political stunt designed to keep the loyalty of slave-owning border states not seceding from the Union. Those states got to keep their slaves until the 13th amendment to the Constitution.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
that is why we are the best country in the world. the usa is the only counrty in the history of the world to free slaves by themselves. the slaves didnt have to fight for it, ya know. i dont mean that there wasnt a fight, but compaired to the other slaves owners in the history of the world, we(USA)freed them on our own will. ya understand what that means.

Maybe you just have not seen that movie coming out about William Wilberforce...

H

a movie!!! haha lets get real, here.

Keep Flying!!

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:38 PM

Egypt : Allowed the Hebrews to leave with Moses

they why did moses have to split the red sea in order to run away from egypt. egypt didnt want to let the slaves go, but GOD plagued them and even still they fought to get them back, hence the splitting of the red sea. anything like that here? uh not that i am aware of.

i am sorry some of you guys dont like america. but those are the ones who complaining about it. if you dont like america then leave. go live with Elizabeth Hurly, who is going to jail because she broke a reglious custom, heheeh go live there. uhh i belive it was muslim.

England : Abolished slavery decades before America,

prove it.

Keep Flying!!

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Eric:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:

In September 1862, Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation made the freeing of slaves
, now you want to talk about civil libery, yea that is a diffent message board, for another time. but slaves in USA have been free since 1862.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a political stunt designed to keep the loyalty of slave-owning border states not seceding from the Union. Those states got to keep their slaves until the 13th amendment to the Constitution.

but it was done, and i hate to tell you the North had slaves too. and they treated them like animals. beatings, sweatshops and etc..

the south needed their slaves, if they mis-treated the slaves then how would the work get done. i am not tring to say it is ok, but the North had the worse of the 2 evils, and yet all we hear about it the South had slaves.

Keep Flying!!

SHINYED

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 5:52 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:

England : Abolished slavery decades before America,

prove it.

Here's the factual history of slavery abolishment in England :
The Slavery Abolition Act (citation 3 & 4 Will. IV c. 73) was an 1833 Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom abolishing slavery throughout the British Empire.

Britain had outlawed the slave trade with the Slave Trade Act in 1807, with penalties of £100 per slave levied on British captains found importing slaves. However, this did not stop the British slave trade: If slave ships were in danger of being captured by the British navy, captains often reduced the fines they had to pay by ordering the slaves to be thrown into the sea. According to the 1844 McMulloch's Commercial Dictionary; "America abolished the slave trade at the same time as England. But not withstanding what had been done, further measures were soon discovered to be necessary. The Spanish and Portuguese continued to carry on the trade to a greater extent than ever; and British subjects did not hesitate, under cover of their flags, to become partners in their adventures."

The next step, then, was to make slavery illegal. A new Anti-Slavery Society was formed in 1823, with members including Thomas Clarkson, Henry Brougham, William Wilberforce, Thomas Fowell Buxton, Elizabeth Heyrick, Mary Lloyd, Jane Smeal, Elizabeth Pease, and Anne Knight.

They prevailed ten years later with the Slavery Abolition Act. To mollify slave owners, the British government paid compensation to owners of freed slaves, depending on the number of slaves that they had. For example, the Bishop of Exeter's 665 slaves resulted in him receiving £12,700.

[edit] The Main Points of the Slavery Abolition Act
All slaves under the age of six were to be freed immediately.
Slaves over the age of six were to remain as part slave and part free for a further four years. In that time they would have to be paid a wage for the work they did in the quarter of the week when they were "free."
The government was to provide £20 million in compensation to the slave-owners who had lost their property.

As for Egypt & the Hebrews....Pharoah Rameses had to let them go as Moses had demanded...yes God brought down some plagues on the Egyptians, but the Hebrew slaves never fought anyone. As the Hebrews were exiting Egypt the Queen hardened his heart and he sent his soldiers out after the slaves to kill them...but originally he just let them go.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:02 PM

Look all of the debate has been fun and all. but we are still missing the point. Imus hasnt said anything diffent then what has been said already. His commint was in a joke. I have stated that many others have said way worse and yet the media is willing to turn the other cheek as far as they are concerned. That is a stance which i think is unfair.

Think of this whole thing like this. This is an example dont put more into this then that ok.

2 women walk into a room full of men.

woman #1 says to a man, "dickhead"
woman #2 walks over to another man and says "dickhead".

all the men in to room are out-raged! but woman #1 is a blonde and #2 is a redhead. all the men like the blonde. so #2 is going to have to be fired and say she is sorry.

that is the same thing that is happing here with Imus. now my view on this is why should the redhead have to be fired, when the blonde said the same dang thing that the redhead did.

does this help bring my view of the whole Imus thing to bear.

I am not going to continue to reply on the slave commints. i cant type as fast as i think and it is such a complex topic, that my fingers hurt, haha

if you really want to continue the topic then we need to exchange phone numbers and we can talk all day about it. but unless the topic is just a few sentences then i am going to have to pass right now. i am sure i will get the commints about me bowwing out, but that is ok. that will be the person who will not call to keep it going. hahaha

I just think this whole thing is getting out of hand. "A divded house will not stand."
Unite and move on. Love your country, or get out.

that's all folks

Keep Flying!!

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:25 PM

"Unite and move on. Love your country, or get out." HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ....

You're a real crack-up.

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
so you are saying the civil war was fought for nothing? (the war was in 1861-1863 you read up)

Richmond, Va., capital of the Confederacy, fell to the Union Army, Apr 1,1865. Robert E Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia at Apomattox Court House, Apr 9,1865.

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:32 PM

Why stay some place you hate so much?

Thats all I am trying to say. Whats wrong with that?

Keep Flying!!

THOLO

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:37 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Tholo:
so you are saying the civil war was fought for nothing? (the war was in 1861-1863 you read up)

Richmond, Va., capital of the Confederacy, fell to the Union Army, Apr 1,1865. Robert E Lee surrendered the Army of Northern Virginia at Apomattox Court House, Apr 9,1865.

you are right, i couldnt remember if it was 63 or 65. i knew it was a short war. like i said i think faster then i can type and i dont type that good to begin with.

Keep Flying!!

CAUSAL

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:45 PM

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Originally posted by WhoDied:
Quote:
...miscreantic...

Is "miscreantic" a real word? I don't think "miscreantic" is a real word...

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RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 6:55 PM

"Why stay some place you hate so much?

Thats all I am trying to say. Whats wrong with that?"

What makes you think I or anyone else here hate it so much? Just 'cause we disagree with you doesn't mean we hate the country.

SHINYED

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 7:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
[ I don't think "miscreantic" is a real word.

Don't think. FEEEEL. It is like a finger pointing a way to the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

CAUSAL

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:
He was right they are nappy headed hoes
But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*snortgasp*

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FREMDFIRMA

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:18 PM

I notice no one got past the first half of that post - in fact I wrote it that way as an experiment just to see if that would be the case.

Recent events and statements from our resident wingnuts have definately convinced me they don't even actually read stuff, just skim and then bash, so imma prolly just wait for them and their horde of sock puppets to get bored, rather than waste words entertaining them.

-F

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 8:32 PM

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BUT - he chose to deliver that insult in front of a massive audience, and the fault for that is entirely his own, he wanted that publicity and he got it, that's what shock-jocks do.. if you wanna really retaliate, just ignore them, because if you give in to it, you're admitting to giving a crap what they think of you.

Me, I could care less what some pinhead I don't know and wouldn't like if I did thinks of me, and if more folks held that attitude, we wouldn't have a lot these furballs now would we ?

Just sayin...

-Frem

Hey ! I read it ! I do enjoy discussing related topics though. Like the role of epithets and who uses them, why people who disagree with some posters are supposed to leave the US, and stuff like that.

But actually, I agree in the main.

MALBADINLATIN

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 10:13 PM

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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Don't think. FEEEEL. It is like a finger pointing a way to the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

That sounds like something Stephen Colbert would say, is it?

"The world is still turning and you're on it....count yourself lucky" My Dad, 2007.

RUE

Wednesday, April 11, 2007 11:20 PM

Supposedly it's a Chinese proverb.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Malbadinlatin:
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Originally posted by ShinyEd:
Don't think. FEEEEL. It is like a finger pointing a way to the moon. Do not concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory.

That sounds like something Stephen Colbert would say, is it?

"The world is still turning and you're on it....count yourself lucky" My Dad, 2007.

Actually, Bruce Lee said it at the beginning of Enter The Dragon.

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:05 AM

It's based off of Kung Fu and wider Budhist Zen Philosphy, similar statements crop up all over.

But that particular one is more or less a direct Bruce Lee quote from Enter the Dragon while trying to teach the fundementals of intention to a student.

CITIZEN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:06 AM

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
If any of those un-washed, vile idiots actually vote who do you think they vote for? I seriously doubt any of them vote for Republicans.

Also...you & Rue & Citizen need to stop attacking FF Fans because of what they post. I've read plenty of your posts & they clearly indicate a superiority complex coupled with a demented view of the world. Step off your high horse and go mock yourself.

Would this be the definition of Irony or Hypocrisy?

More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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KANEMAN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:09 AM

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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
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He was right they are nappy headed hoes
But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*snortgasp*

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HaHa...thats all you got?

VETERAN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 1:48 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:

HaHa...thats all you got?

I pretty much think you're right on this one.

CAUSAL

Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:50 AM

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Originally posted by kaneman:
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Originally posted by Causal:
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Originally posted by SignyM:
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He was right they are nappy headed hoes
But maybe they don't WANT to be hoes? Maybe they want to be shovels! Or rakes! Or even tractors! EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR FARM IMPLEMENTS!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

*snortgasp*

HaHa...thats all you got?

Did you need a couple more "ha has" in there or something? I mean, I thought it was pretty clear that I was laughing at the pun, but I suppose that you could have missed that somehow. Next time I'll make sure to get 8 "has" in so you won't miss the fact that I'm laughing at a joke.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 2:58 AM

I have a question about 'political correctness'.

AFAIK it used to be that conservative white males could denigrate anyone who was not like them with whatever words they chose - faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on.

But when these maligned groups acquired some kick there were $real$ repercussions for using such labels. So the old white farts complained that having to be 'politically correct' was onerous.

Do I have this about right?

CAUSAL

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:03 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
I have a question about 'political correctness'.

AFAIK it used to be that conservative white males could denigrate anyone who was not like them with whatever words they chose - faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on.

But when these maligned groups acquired some kick there were $real$ repercussions for using such labels. So the old white farts complained that having to be 'politically correct' was onerous.

Do I have this about right?

Ah, the old white conservative males. The only group left that one can denigrate safely.

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Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:05 AM

Just white conservative males who think everyone else is a faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on. That's what makes them old farts.

Regular conservative white males who know about respecting people and who don't play the victim card at every turn are fine folk.

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:50 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Ah, the old white conservative males. The only group left that one can denigrate safely.

That's what it means to be on the top of the food chain when it comes to institutionalized inequities.

Which do you think rich white male heterosexuals would rather have: nobody denigrating rich white male heterosexuals or rich white male heterosexuals having to operate on the same field as everyone else? Of course, if you've taken for granted all the privileges that come with being a rich white male heterosexual then it makes sense that you would see the denigration as "coming out of the blue". Which is what the whining is about.

I think we can all agree that being born into a wealthy family in America means that you have more opportunity than being born into a poor family. The odds are in your favor and the system is rigged for your benefit. It doesn't mean that you'll be successful. But you have a helluva better shot at it than someone born into abject poverty. That's a pretty easy comparison to see.

Well, there's something similar with respect to race, gender and sexuality. If you are born white you have a better shot at success than someone born not white. If you are born male you have a better shot at success than someone born female. If you are born heterosexual you have a better shot at success than someone born homosexual. This is not a guarantee, but the probabilities get better and better the more priviliged you are. For a poor African-American lesbian to become successful means a helluva lot more work than for a rich white hetero man.

We don't like to talk about this because it cuts against the Horatio Alger myth being open to anyone. But deep down in our hearts I think we get it.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:28 AM

Heil the Honorable Reverand Jesse Jackson!

I told you all how I thought about that sub-human before. Who the hell let him back in the spotlight anyhow? I thought we were finally done with that scourge on mankind.

It makes me sad to know that because of stupid shit like this, white and black people just like each other that much less tomorrow. Jesse the hatemonguer.....

I blame the nappy headed hoes.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:35 AM

White hetrosexual males are the only demographic that nobody gives a shit about. We have no voice and we have no leader. The FEDs put them all in prison or ruined them financially. We have been vilianized and we are the only people who cannot say anything about anybody else. This is the truth, and I'm not looking for pity. I have learned to accept this and I know that my opinion on anything will always be trumped by special interest groups or by bleeding heart soccer moms and their MADD meetings. Fuck the world anyways. I want off this rock so bad it hurts.

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Well, there's something similar with respect to race, gender and sexuality. If you are born white you have a better shot at success than someone born not white. If you are born male you have a better shot at success than someone born female. If you are born heterosexual you have a better shot at success than someone born homosexual. This is not a guarantee, but the probabilities get better and better the more priviliged you are. For a poor African-American lesbian to become successful means a helluva lot more work than for a rich white hetero man.

I call bullshit on all of this except for the money part. Go into any government building in Chicago or suburbs such as Evergreen Park and show me one single male under the age of 50 working there.

I'll save you the time. You can't do it. It's impossible. Nearly every job I've ever worked at there were more women working there than men. They get paid what we get paid now and yet we still have to buy them drinks and pay for dates, otherwise they'll just find another guy who will. There ain't a thing about it that's fair.

I'm not rich, but I'm white and I'm hetro and I'm male. Anybody who would want to trade places with me is a fool. A poor white hetrosexual male is nothing but a living, breathing doormat.

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SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, April 12, 2007 6:15 AM

"I'm not rich, but I'm white and I'm hetro and I'm male. Anybody who would want to trade places with me is a fool. A poor white hetrosexual male is nothing but a living, breathing doormat."

So would you rather have been born a woman?

Or would you rather have been born non white?

Or would you rather have been born homosexual?

Would life have been easier?

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 12, 2007 7:11 AM

Legitimate questions all Soup. The truth is, I don't know. I wasn't born any of those things, so there is no possible way that I could say. All I can speak about is being a white hetrosexual male and it ain't no fucking picnic. Especially when I'm the only one who has to watch every damn thing he says all the time.

What disturbs and annoys me to no end is that coming from the other side, everybody is always sure that the answer is "YES, it would be easier". People need to step the fuck back and get off the regular average joe white guy who gets fucked all day by his boss, pays his child support and lives his shitty little meaningless and unhappy life.

Here's an article I read tonight that I really liked.

"Imus got his trash talk pass yanked. Now let's yank it from those blacks that do the same."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/imus-got-his-trash
-talk-p_b_45488.html

It was written by a half white, half black man who seems to be one of the only few people who's opinion on this seems to be in the slightest bit reasonable. Maybe it's because of his lineage? I don't agree with his answer that we need to censor everybody as I'm of the school that less rules is more, but really, why is IMUS the punching bag here... and Michael Richards before him? Gangsta culture is the epitome of making women objects and abusing them. What did Imus say that isn't said 100,000,000 times world wide out of CD players and on internet radio every day?

I'm just quite tired of being the punching bag of a race that simply cannot take what it dishes out. Anytime anything like this happens, Jesse "The Racist" Jackson is all over the headlines. If I was rich and spit on black people, I would think that there might be a legitimate gripe here, but this does not happen. Hell, when I was growing up I found that I had much less inclination towards racist tendencies. The media has done a job on me, just like it's done a job on all of us. It deliberately pulls shit like this all the time to keep us fighting each other, when we'd probably be getting along just fine without them.

Ain't it funny that nobody seems to ever recall that there are a hell of a lot more poor white people living in trailers than black people.

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SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:05 AM

Easier probably wasn't the best word to use.

For me personally, I have a foot in two camps. My mom's side of the family is white. My dad's side of the family is non white. Neither side would ever be considered well-off. And it's no picnic no matter what your race when you're trying to work your way up from the bottom. I completely agree with you on that.

I've tried to describe it here before in terms of computers and processing power: this thing called privilege. I'll start from a point we agree on and then expand. Rich people just don't have to process as much as poor people. Rich people don't have to make a decision on which bills to pay, or decide between bills and food, or hope that they don't get sick because insurance is out of the question. I could go on and on. There are a shitload of decisions and worries that are not even on the radar screen of the rich. Because they're not operating on the margins with no safety net. And that's a bunch of processing power and energy that is being consumed on a daily basis by the poor that the rich are not even aware of.

Moving on to women. I've never had to worry about being raped. It's just not a thought that has crossed my mind. I've never gone to prison - the one place where the probability of a man being raped goes above miniscule - so it's off my radar screen. Ask your mom or sister or girlfriend if they've ever worried about being raped. How often. In what circumstances. If they know what the odds are or who is most likely to rape them. That's a lot of processing power and energy that is consumed by women that is not on men's radar screen. And that's just one single topic. I've never worried about getting pregnant and what that would do to my life. Or that I wouldn't be allowed to make decisions about my own body. Or that if I failed at my job people would think it was because I was a woman rather than just shitty at my job. Or that I made up fifty percent of the population but nowhere near that in terms of people in positions of power and influence. On and on and on.

We could do something similar for race and sexuality.

Shifting gears. I haven't said anything about how women are portrayed in much of rap culture in this thread intentionally. Which is not to say that I see the blatent misogyny as okay. I don't. I just see one wrong as more egregious than the other wrong.

"Ain't it funny that nobody seems to ever recall that there are a hell of a lot more poor white people living in trailers than black people."

Absolutely. Which is why any poor white person who is a racist is fighting the wrong enemy. The people keeping them down are not the poor blacks, it's the rich whites. If you're not a rich white hetero male then you're getting the shaft somewhere along the line. It's the affirmative action that nobody talks about.

SOUPCATCHER

Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:28 AM

I liked the article you linked to. Here's one you might enjoy that gets at some of the same things: http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-rice11apr11,0,5538321.story?
coll=la-opinion-rightrail
It's by Constance Rice, who is Secretary of State Rice's cousin (I can't remember if first or second), but a lot more progressive. Here's my favorite section...

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But there's also no basis for firing him or ending his show. Firing Imus for racist riffs would be like firing Liberace for flamboyance. It's what he does.

More to the point, Imus should only be fired when the black artists who make millions of dollars rapping about black bitches and hos lose their recording contracts. Black leaders should denounce Imus and boycott him and call for his head only after they do the same for the misogynist artists with whom they have shared stages, magazine covers and awards shows.

The truth is, Imus' remarks mimic those of the original gurus of black female denigration: black men with no class. He is only repeating what he's heard and being honest about the way many men — of all races — judge women.
...

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:40 AM

I agree with you on everything up until the part about women. In all fairness though, many rich people do have to make a lot of decisions that effect the lives of thousands or millions of people. Along your thought that "easier" may not have been the right word to use, I'm not going to say that anybodies life is "easy". As my late uncle used to say, "even the rich people have to worry about getting their yachts fixed when the engine blows".

Now about the women. Sure, I don't think much about being raped. I just don't really think that women are thinking all that much about being raped, considering how they dress nowandays. I'm not trying to downplay rape by any means here, but really, you have to admit that today that arguement doesn't hold so much water when your 13 year old neighbor will be prancing around the streets this summer in a tummy top with skin tight shorts that say "Delicious" on them. Look in a Kohl's or JC Penny ad in the Sunday paper and I'll bet you'll find at least one or two messages on shirts that are practically asking for it. No... I'm really not seeing that fear too much anymore in civilized American society.

As far as the other points your brought up, I'm not arguing any of them, but I don't see your point. As a male I have plenty of shit to worry about that women don't have to. Let's try figuring out how to save money and get back into the dating scene at the same time. It's an impossibility. If I'm not paying for the dates, the girls are going to go with guys who are... at least the girls that I would sleep with are. Yeah, I'm shallow, but I'm good looking and I'm intelligent and I happen to love attractive women. Bottom line is that I'm following Tupac's advice.... MOB. Look it up if you want to. I'm not going to spell it out because the soccer moms will jump all over me for that.

Add to this the fact that I'm always going to be the guy that women and minorities are gunning for because I'm part of this great oppressive beast who has kept them down for centuries.

I'm assuming from what you said that you think what Imus said is worse than what any rap artist has said about women. I could be reading this wrong, but I'm shocked that you could actually believe such a thing. Please tell me that I'm reading that wrong. Not only are the comments made by both parties in question in different ball parks, but they're completley different sports altogether. If popular Rap culture today were Pulp Fiction, what Imus said is Get Shorty.... it's rediculous what that man is going through now.

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Absolutely. Which is why any poor white person who is a racist is fighting the wrong enemy. The people keeping them down are not the poor blacks, it's the rich whites. If you're not a rich white hetero male then you're getting the shaft somewhere along the line. It's the affirmative action that nobody talks about.

Fucking A right. Do you think this is only an affliction that poor white people suffer from, because I had to grow up around poor black people with the same problem. The only reason that we haven't torn down the castle walls yet is because they're smart and they have all of us fighting each other. Shit like this whole Imus deal is just making it worse, but he was due. They're going to censor the way we speak and think in the end, and we'll all be good little robots for them. Jesse Jackson just plays into their hands. Mayhap Jesse is actually the biggest Uncle Tom who ever lived?

I'd throw Sharpton in there too but when he's not on one of his racist rants the man actually has a wealth of intelligent thinking going on in that brain of his.

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CAUSAL

Thursday, April 12, 2007 12:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
Quote:
Originally posted by Causal:
Ah, the old white conservative males. The only group left that one can denigrate safely.

That's what it means to be on the top of the food chain when it comes to institutionalized inequities.

Which do you think rich white male heterosexuals would rather have: nobody denigrating rich white male heterosexuals or rich white male heterosexuals having to operate on the same field as everyone else? Of course, if you've taken for granted all the privileges that come with being a rich white male heterosexual then it makes sense that you would see the denigration as "coming out of the blue". Which is what the whining is about.

I think we can all agree that being born into a wealthy family in America means that you have more opportunity than being born into a poor family. The odds are in your favor and the system is rigged for your benefit. It doesn't mean that you'll be successful. But you have a helluva better shot at it than someone born into abject poverty. That's a pretty easy comparison to see.

Well, there's something similar with respect to race, gender and sexuality. If you are born white you have a better shot at success than someone born not white. If you are born male you have a better shot at success than someone born female. If you are born heterosexual you have a better shot at success than someone born homosexual. This is not a guarantee, but the probabilities get better and better the more priviliged you are. For a poor African-American lesbian to become successful means a helluva lot more work than for a rich white hetero man.

We don't like to talk about this because it cuts against the Horatio Alger myth being open to anyone. But deep down in our hearts I think we get it.

What? My point was that they're the only group left one can safely denigrate.

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KANEMAN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:24 PM

"between 1890 and 1960 "

That was ....50 years ago.

KANEMAN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:28 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Just white conservative males who think everyone else is a faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on. That's what makes them old farts.

Old farts? I'm not that old. I do believe that everyone is a.. faggot, queer, queen, fairy, dyke, cunt, bitch, whore, kike, wop, gook, dego, wet back, nigger, spic, mick, commie, pinko, traitor, and so on.
You left retards off your list.

RUE

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:54 PM

6-string

"In all fairness though, many rich people do have to make a lot of decisions that effect the lives of thousands or millions of people."

I remember having $2.50 to my name. Some decisions are just more critical when you have to decide between rent and food.

But as for the rich man's burden - you are so against rules. And yet you not only accept but defend the right of rich people to run your life ??? Do you not see the problem here?

RUE

Thursday, April 12, 2007 3:58 PM

6-string

BTW, 13 year old girls are just a little too young to understand rape and fear.

To get a real gage, just go out and see how many women walk alone at night v how many men, especially in the kinds of neighborhoods you and I live in (ie not gated with ultra-wealthy folk inside). And of the women walking alone at night, how many are out there b/c they have to be - going to and from a job for example.

RUE

Thursday, April 12, 2007 4:10 PM

Causal

"What? My point was that they're the only group left one can safely denigrate."

How much real discrimination have you faced in your life on account of being a white male compared to the rest of us? ie were you ever denied a place to rent? a loan? a job? schooling? utilities? and so on. You are whining about what my friend used to call 'Cadillac complaints'. My Cadillac is just not the exact shade I want, it doesn't have leather seats, I wanted vanity windows ... and so on. In other words, all these little things you complain about are just so much fluff.

If you REALLY want to complain, why don’t you complain about what we ALL here have in common - that your life is being run by rich white folk who don't give a crap about you OR us. And get a clue that just b/c you're on top of a dung heap doesn't make the dung heap smell any nicer - instead of defending your right to be there.

FLETCH2

Thursday, April 12, 2007 8:56 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Causal

"What? My point was that they're the only group left one can safely denigrate."

How much real discrimination have you faced in your life on account of being a white male compared to the rest of us? ....

He said "denigrate" not "discriminate." No one would argue that the WASP doesn't have an easier time but would Jessie Jackson have marched had similar comments been made about a white team? If Michael Richards calls a white heckler an A-hole would it make the news?

RUE

Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:10 PM

Denigration can be a form of discrimination.

SIGMANUNKI

Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:18 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:

Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

There wasn't hysterical political correctness back then, now there is. Also, people back then probably thought that he was just the crazy guy from around the corner, and ignored him. Now because of the US's hysterical "media", /everything/ is a big deal to be blown out of proportion. This being a recent development as well.

Basically, the world used to be relatively calm taking things as they were. Now, in the US, /everything/ has to be dealt with as if someone punched a blind cripple in the face.

Just wait a few days until the next "horror" happens. Then because the US has a collective attention span like a chronically depressed lemming, it'll be like this never happened.

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
How much real discrimination have you faced in your life on account of being a white male compared to the rest of us?

So just how are we going to get rid of all the white, heterosexual males that are the cause of all that is wrong in this world? Will white couples now be closely scrutinized and all male babies left out in the woods?
You do you remember affirmative action? Not that long ago I remember qualified white males were being turned down for civil service jobs because racial quotas needed to be met. Does that count as discrimination in your books?

Posting to stir stuff up.

VETERAN

Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:41 PM

Rue,

White males have no monopoly on racial slurs or bigotry. Some of the worst bigots I know are minorities themselves.

I would like to submit the following opinion to the discussion:

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COMMENTARY
Imus isnt the real bad guy
Instead of wasting time on irrelevant shock jock, black leaders need to be fighting a growing gangster culture.
By JASON WHITLOCK - Columnist

Thank you, Don Imus. Youve given us (black people) an excuse to avoid our real problem.

Youve given Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson another opportunity to pretend that the old fight, which is now the safe and lucrative fight, is still the most important fight in our push for true economic and social equality.

Youve given Vivian Stringer and Rutgers the chance to hold a nationally televised recruiting celebration expertly disguised as a news conference to respond to your poor attempt at humor.

Thank you, Don Imus. You extended Black History Month to April, and we can once again wallow in victimhood, protest like its 1965 and delude ourselves into believing that fixing your hatred is more necessary than eradicating our self-hatred.

The bigots win again.

While were fixated on a bad joke cracked by an irrelevant, bad shock jock, Im sure at least one of the marvelous young women on the Rutgers basketball team is somewhere snapping her fingers to the beat of 50 Cents or Snoop Doggs or Young Jeezys latest ode glorifying nappy-headed pimps and hos.

I aint saying Jesse, Al and Vivian are gold-diggas, but they dont have the heart to mount a legitimate campaign against the real black-folk killas.

It is us. At this time, we are our own worst enemies. We have allowed our youths to buy into a culture (hip hop) that has been perverted, corrupted and overtaken by prison culture. The music, attitude and behavior expressed in this culture is anti-black, anti-education, demeaning, self-destructive, pro-drug dealing and violent.

Rather than confront this heinous enemy from within, we sit back and wait for someone like Imus to have a slip of the tongue and make the mistake of repeating the things we say about ourselves.

Its embarrassing. Dave Chappelle was offered $50 million to make racially insensitive jokes about black and white people on TV. He was hailed as a genius. Black comedians routinely crack jokes about white and black people, and we all laugh out loud.

Im no Don Imus apologist. He and his tiny companion Mike Lupica blasted me after I fell out with ESPN. Imus is a hack.

But, in my view, he didnt do anything outside the norm for shock jocks and comedians. He also offered an apology. That shouldve been the end of this whole affair. Instead, its only the beginning. Its an opportunity for Stringer, Jackson and Sharpton to step on victim platforms and elevate themselves and their agenda$.

I watched the Rutgers news conference and was ashamed.

Martin Luther King Jr. spoke for eight minutes in 1963 at the March on Washington. At the time, black people could be lynched and denied fundamental rights with little thought. With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.

Somehow, were supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined Rutgers wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.

But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction.

In the grand scheme, Don Imus is no threat to us in general and no threat to black women in particular. If his words are so powerful and so destructive and must be rebuked so forcefully, then what should we

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BIGDAMNNOBODY

Thursday, April 12, 2007 10:59 PM

Well it's official, Imus is out.
http://www.cbc.ca/arts/media/story/2007/04/12/imus-radio-fundraiser.ht
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And thanks for the enlightening article Veteran.

Posting to stir stuff up.

FREMDFIRMA

Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:00 PM

Siggy, I think you got more of a point than you realize.

Although let's look at this from a different angle, not sayin it doesn't have merit as you've expressed it cause no doubt it does, but think...

This shit is really starting to look like "mockingbird" type diversions from real issues, I mean, who really gives a shit about Anna-whatsername or whoever she humped to pop out that damn baby ?

Who really gives a rats ass what this ignoble little dweeb thinks ?

But these issues are pumped up, overblown, and super-sized to drown out *real* issues, and it's become downright noticeable at least to me, prolly cause I don't watch TV, just the watchers OF TV, if you get my meaning.

I mean, what's worse, calling some tough up and coming basketball players names, or sending poor folk of all colors off to fight and die in Iraq, and for what ?

Which one SHOULD be an issue ?
Which one is socially more important ?

Not sayin this dweebs not a jerk, or in the wrong, but I can put up with him, and PN, and RightWingNuts, and Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Stern you name em, in order to have actual free speech you see ?

I swear it's almost like a media version of the stage magicians misdirection hand trickery, and I wonder....

I know it sounds maybe a littl fruit loopy, but turn off the idiotbox for an hour and sit and really THINK about it for a while.

You really think the folks who gave us the patriot act, domestic wiretapping, and the dept of homeland security wouldn't go that far ?

I wonder, really I do.

-Frem

Operation Mockingbird.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird

RUE

Thursday, April 12, 2007 11:30 PM

"So just how are we going to get rid of all the white, heterosexual males that are the cause of all that is wrong in this world?"

Where did I say that? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

But white male non-wealthy heteros are so consumed with their place in the pecking order they don't realize that being on the top of the dung heap is still being on the dung heap. Instead of trying to figure out how you can get away with being politically incorrect as a way to feel superior, mebee you should look at the real folk doing you harm - the rich ones sending jobs oversees, busting unions, pitting one against the other and paying everyone only a small fraction of what the work is worth.

Get it now?

And PLEASE don't make me explain this AGAIN. Twice is enough. Besides, if I have to say this one more time I'll start to think white male heteros really do have something wrong with them.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 13, 2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
But white male non-wealthy heteros are so consumed with their place in the pecking order they don't realize that being on the top of the dung heap is still being on the dung heap.

Please explain in detail how you know this, not being 'white, male, non-wealthy' yourself. I also think you are generalizing to the nth degree and find your statement offensive as a white male non-wealthy individual.

Quote:

Instead of trying to figure out how you can get away with being politically incorrect as a way to feel superior, mebee you should look at the real folk doing you harm - the rich ones sending jobs oversees, busting unions, pitting one against the other and paying everyone only a small fraction of what the work is worth.

Get it now?

Please refer back to my first statement in this post.

Quote:

And PLEASE don't make me explain this AGAIN. Twice is enough. Besides, if I have to say this one more time I'll start to think white male heteros really do have something wrong with them.

Please do, I find your denigration/discrimination of white, male, conservative, old, wealthy, non-wealthy individuals funny in this particular thread.

Posting to stir stuff up.

JONGSSTRAW

Friday, April 13, 2007 12:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
Quote:
Originally posted by ShinyEd:

Why now? Why this? He's said plenty worse.

There wasn't hysterical political correctness back then, now there is. Also, people back then probably thought that he was just the crazy guy from around the corner, and ignored him. Now because of the US's hysterical "media", /everything/ is a big deal to be blown out of proportion. This being a recent development as well.

Basically, the world used to be relatively calm taking things as they were. Now, in the US, /everything/ has to be dealt with as if someone punched a blind cripple in the face.

Just wait a few days until the next "horror" happens. Then because the US has a collective attention span like a chronically depressed lemming, it'll be like this never happened.

I like your post........excellent overview of the entire immaturity of America in relation to political correctness and race baiting.

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:22 AM

"Please explain in detail how you know this, not being 'white, male, non-wealthy' yourself."

How do you know? By what people presume to say about me?

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:23 AM

I'm posting this separately b/c it's just a leetle confused:

"Please do, I find your denigration/discrimination of white, male, conservative, old, wealthy, non-wealthy individuals funny in this particular thread."

You have no fucking clue what you're saying, do you? So you had to put everything in just in case you left something important out.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:33 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
6-string

"In all fairness though, many rich people do have to make a lot of decisions that effect the lives of thousands or millions of people."

I remember having $2.50 to my name. Some decisions are just more critical when you have to decide between rent and food.

But as for the rich man's burden - you are so against rules. And yet you not only accept but defend the right of rich people to run your life ??? Do you not see the problem here?

Rue, Rue, Rue.....

Are you arguing me just to be arguementative again? I'm not coming to anybodies defense here. Forget for a moment any of my expressed hatered for big gov and big business.
Is there really anything wrong in the statement that I made, in itself?

All I'm saying here is that nobody's life is easy. Sure, some people get to enjoy it a helluva lot more than others. I lived in my grandma's basement with 7 cats, $6,500.00 in credit card debt and no way to pay it off, no college education and I was virtually unemployed for five years, so you're talking to somebody who can relate to you. I've never been rich, or drove a fancy car, or had a trophy wife.

I hate big business and I hate a government that's sleeping with it. I'm not a fan of capitalism, but I don't know of any better alternatives either. All I was saying here is that nobody's life is easy. I worked for a man who was on the top of the world. He had millions, his own company, government contracts and as much beautiful Costa Rican women as he could throw his Viagra at. Then big government, finding they no longer had any use for him, turned on him and his subordinates and superiors and I watched the political figures in my homestate topple on each other like dominoes. It was the most disgusting thing that I've ever witnessed. People who were supposedly friends for years wearing wires and ratting out their so called friends just to shorten thier own prison terms.

It's the machine that I hate, not the individual people. He had a lot, and he lost it all. The more you have, the bigger target you are. When you're no longer useful and you take a fall..... well, the machine just keeps chugging along without you. Imus is figuring that out right about now. He's just a scapegoat... a side show... another bullshit story to keep the proles mind off this horrible war we're waging on the world. He's just the next in a long succession of Michael Jackson court cases to keep our mind off real issues. Do you think anybody is going to make Kaneman frontpage news on every paper because of things he's said here? Of course not. Like me and you, he is nobody. Like all of the RWEDers his opinions don't mean squat in the big picture. Imus is only a target because he has a large circle of influence. I feel sorry for him. Personally, I wouldn't trade my virtual anyonimity for all the money in the world.

I'm not being contradictory to my previous statements on government and business here... I'm just trying to illustrate that nobody's life is easy. Everything is relative. Mo' Money, Mo' Problems.... not just a clever lyric.

Quote:
BTW, 13 year old girls are just a little too young to understand rape and fear.

I can't argue that statement head on too much Rue. You're absolutely right... a 13 year old child, who isn't taught any better and doesn't live in an environment where it's in your face wouldn't know any better.

What about their parents? What about society? I know that there are parents who still won't allow their daughters to dress like sluts, although you can't watch your kids 24/7. But the truth here is that there is more broken homes in this country than not and parents are too preoccupied with work and depression and pill popping to really notice anymore or to teach things like this to their kids. That's what schools are for, right? Fortunately for their daughters that aren't learning lessons that they would have been taught by their grandparents, they live in a society that is so comp

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
I'm posting this separately b/c it's just a leetle confused:

"Please do, I find your denigration/discrimination of white, male, conservative, old, wealthy, non-wealthy individuals funny in this particular thread."

You have no fucking clue what you're saying, do you? So you had to put everything in just in case you left something important out.

No, I put everything in because you denigrated/discriminated all of the descriptions quoted at some point in this thread.

Posting to stir stuff up.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Go to downtown Chicago and see how the professional women dress. If they were whisked away and dropped off in the middle of a prison, they would be raped, end of story,...

So would you Jack, so would you.

Posting to stir stuff up.

GEEZER

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:55 AM

You know, I'm thinking that the best response to this whole thing would have been the entire Rutgers women's basketball team appearing at a press conference with all of them - black, white, asian, latino, whatever - wearing massive afro wigs, and saying, "Damn right we're all nappy-headed hos! Wanna make somethin' of it?"

"Keep the Shiny side up"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 1:56 AM

BIGDAMNNOBODY..... HAHAHAHA! Click, Click, BURN!!!

Yeah I would.

I like your style Geezer. Everyone could have had a laugh out of it and this would have been over without anyone being fired. I think a good laugh at Imus's expense would have been sufficient.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:00 AM

Backed off on the white male non-rich hetero thing I see. Good.

"denigration/discrimination"
Now see, I said that denigration can SOMETIMES be discrimination. You equated them completely. See the difference? So how can you claim be responding when you can't even repeat it properly? As I said, you haven't got a clue.

And I said that SOME white males were old farts, and you could tell by their attitudes. See, there's a small word again, and the idea that goes with it, which you chose to ignore. Still no clue, eh?

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Here's from the lacrosse team thread:

SHINYED
Jesse Jackson...for jumping on the media bandwagon and convicting those boys with extreme prejudice all over the airwaves...slander, defamation of character, et al.

FREDGIBLET
Jesse Jackson on the other hand should be hunted for fun and profit.

GEEZER
At least Don Imus apologized. (As compared to Jesse Jackson)

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And from this thread:

SHINYED
Why now? Why this?

HERO
Good thing Imus is a liberal or else he'd be in real trouble

KANEMAN
He was right they are nappy headed hoes

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OH Yeah! This thread - angry put-upon white guys whimpering about political correctness. See, it's not so bad when a white guy is a race-baiting ignorant asshole. Lacrosse thread - but when a BLACK man does the same thing, well, he should be 'hunted for fun and profit'.

Nah, I don't think I'm mischaracterizing 'old farts' no matter what their age.

BIGDAMNNOBODY

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:09 AM

Slick.

Posting to stir stuff up.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:13 AM

Where's my quotes about Jesse? I've said a ton of bad things about him in RWED over the last year.

Was that first sentence directed towards me Rue? I'm thinking it was, because the way that a non-rich, white, hetrosexual male is unfairly discriminated against in our PC culture was a large part of my rant, but I wasn't addressed in your last post. If that is the case, I didn't back off it at all. My last response to you didn't warrant another mention of it is all. If not, I apologize ahead of time for being too presumptuous.

All that being said.... did you have anything to add or dispute otherwise?

BTW Rue..... I just saw this quote of yours: "But white male non-wealthy heteros are so consumed with their place in the pecking order they don't realize that being on the top of the dung heap is still being on the dung heap."

I don't agree. Hence my previous posts. This is pure fantasy today.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:28 AM

"non-rich, white, hetrosexual male is unfairly discriminated against in our PC culture"

HOW are they (you) discriminated against? That's what I want to find out. Ever been stopped and handcuffed for driving while white? Have you personally been denied a place in school, job/ advancement, loan, rental, utilities or other item simply b/c you're a white male, or been denied in favor of a minority simply b/c you're not a minority and they are? Do you personally know anyone who's been denied anything for that reason? There's always stories about 'some white guy' who didn't get something b/c of being passed over in favor a ... (fill in the minority). But I've never met any, and I suspect you haven't either.

But if you have, I'd like to hear it.

GEEZER

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:37 AM

Meanwhile, the Imus radiothon continues. What an evil guy.

Quote:
The radiothon had raised more than $1.3 million Thursday before Imus learned that he had lost his job. The annual event has raised more than $40 million since 1990.

"This may be our last radiothon, so we need to raise about $100 million," Imus cracked at the start of the event.

Volunteers were getting about 200 more pledges per hour than they did last year, with most callers expressing support for Imus, said phone bank supervisor Tony Gonzalez. The event benefited Tomorrows Children's Fund, the CJ Foundation for SIDS and the Imus Ranch.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=104&pid=0&sid=1110009&page=1

"Keep the Shiny side up"

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:39 AM

I've lost my job before for not watching what I say. I'm not a racist, but I have my own point of views on things. I didn't say anything then that I don't say in here. It wasn't racism. Nothing I say is racist. As I've said before, I think 90% of the people I've ever met are assholes and 90% of the people I've ever known were white. I was just saying it like it is. I was seeing bullshit and calling it.

I get to see Chris Rock and Martin Lawrence and Eddie Murphy and Carlos Mencia and Sarah Silverman say whatever the hell they want to say about ANYBODY all the time and I'm the one who gets fired. The limiting of freedom of speech only pertains to white, hetrosexual males... PERIOD.

EDIT: I believe I've covered this before already Rue. I told you to go to Chicago or its suburbs (even the primarily white suburbs on the southside) and show me a white male under 50 working there. These are very good paying government jobs that are primarily being given to blacks and women today.

No arguments against my other topics though I suppose, you know, the huge post that I put up an hour or so ago which had nothing to do with the discrimination and limiting of freedom of speech against only white, hetrosexual males? You asked me questions, and I replied and you had nothing to say about it.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:41 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Meanwhile, the Imus radiothon continues. What an evil guy.

My guess Geezer is that this will all blow over and they'll give him his job back....

Not without first putting him on a short leash cutting his balls off, of course.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

KAYLEESTHEGREATEST

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:48 AM

i think that people over reacted in a way (not saying that imus wasnt for stupid for saying that) but he was only joking even laughing as he said it.

Someday the verse will spit in your soup but at least they gave you soup.
one day
one plan
one mission
one army of browncoats
june 23rd serenity day

-Our mission as browncoats is to make us known.

HARDWARE

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
"non-rich, white, hetrosexual male is unfairly discriminated against in our PC culture"

HOW are they (you) discriminated against? That's what I want to find out. Ever been stopped and handcuffed for driving while white? Have you personally been denied a place in school, job/ advancement, loan, rental, utilities or other item simply b/c you're a white male, or been denied in favor of a minority simply b/c you're not a minority and they are? Do you personally know anyone who's been denied anything for that reason? There's always stories about 'some white guy' who didn't get something b/c of being passed over in favor a ... (fill in the minority). But I've never met any, and I suspect you haven't either.

But if you have, I'd like to hear it.

Sorry Rue, you are mistaken. I'm a white male and it happened to me. What's even funnier is the possibility that because of it, people have conceivably been killed or injured.

THE STORY: In 1991 I took and passed the Federal Aviation Administration test for air traffic controllers. I scored an unadjusted 91.5 out of a possible 130 (when adjusted for additional points for minority, veteran, disability etc.) The FAA would take a look at all applicants down to 90 for a given region. If no suitable applicants were found, they would take the next group down to 85. A month before my test score came back the FAA implemented total reach down for females and minorities. Meaning; they would look for applicants in a given region who were minorities or female down to a score of 90, then again minorities or women down to 85. Then and only then they would look at white males down to 90 and then the final group of white males down to 85.

So, for the last 16 years the best candidates haven't neccesarily been controlling the planes over the nation. Safety has taken a back seat to political correctness.

Now you have your example. Your response?

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 2:55 AM

6-string

"I've lost my job before for not watching what I say."

Well, that doesn't really answer the question.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:02 AM

Well... I've been awaiting your response to my other posts and you've ignored them. You asked other questions, to which I responded, and you had nothing to say. Do you agree, or disagree. I can only assume you have to agree with my post because you haven't said anything otherwise.

Regardless of what you think about me getting fired for saying that a black guy we worked with was a lazy fuck, my example of no white males under 50 working in post offices around Chicago and now Hardware's example in aviation are just two very good examples of these anti-white male practices in society today.

I'm sure this isn't as prevalent in the private sector (chuckles... private). The government doesn't have their hands too deep in every company there yet, but any government jobs white males are automatically at a disadvantage going in and better really shine or they will be passed up to fill quotas. Sorry if you don't agree Rue, but it's the truth. Just another aspect of 1984 coming to life.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

RUE

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:06 AM

Hardware:

Do you have a problem with this?
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/
2a. Do you claim veterans’ preference?
If yes, mark your claim of 5 or 10 points below.

As to your claim, I'd like to see hard data on that. I don't know of any system that, if they did such a thing, would divulge that information. OTOH I've seen plenty of situations where women blew the men out of the water; though there was a general consensus (among the men) that the only reason she (several shes, several different instances) got hired was b/c she had 'big boobs' and/or wore 'tight sweaters'.

And we recently had a promotional competition here. The person who ultimately was hired was Black and I know there were several who felt that was the reason. (I do know what the reason was as I had a back-channel chance to find out, and race wasn't it.)

But there you have it, people say all sorts of things as common wisdom so that's why I'd like some sort of documentary evidence.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Hardware:

Do you have a problem with this?
http://www.usajobs.opm.gov/
2a. Do you claim veterans’ preference?
If yes, mark your claim of 5 or 10 points below.

As to your claim, I'd like to see hard data on that. I don't know of any system that, if they did such a thing, would divulge that information. OTOH I've seen plenty of situations where women blew the men out of the water; though there was a general consensus (among the men) that the only reason she got hired was b/c she had 'big boobs'.

You're not going to see hard proof of something like that unless you go to the post office and see it yourself. They don't post this shit or there for everyone to see because there would be race riots Rue, come on. And don't tell me that you deny that colleges do this when it is well documented that they do.

I know that women are capable of beating men in things. I know that there are people who belong to minority groups that work harder than people who belong to the "majority". I know that being gay is no reason to be denied a job. Nobody is arguing any of this.

Your little example here about knowing women who have "blown men out of the water" is insulting and vague and sounds like it could have just been made up on the spot. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but you're the stickler here for hard evidence Rue. You're the one dismissing everyone else and asking for proof. It is a pathetic attempt to derail statements about a very legitimate problem that white males in this country are facing today.

And you're still ignoring my questions about my original post this evening. I'm going to drop it now and just say that you know I'm right and that's why you're changing the subject and avoiding answering my repeated attempts to get your thoughts about what I said.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

SIGMANUNKI

Friday, April 13, 2007 3:23 AM

@Fremdfirma:

Pretty much my opinion as well

@JongsStraw:

Thanks

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