Season 8, #2 (SPOILERS)
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 18:10
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At your request, SerenityinScotland, here's my two cents:
So many candidates, so little time. So who to choose>
Xander is likely to be the kiss giver (though, and I've said this before, it gives me the wiggins). Although it seems like his romantic feelings for Buffy have cooled, we can't really know that for sure. After season three, there weren't that many episodes that focused on solely his character (with the exception of "The Replacement", most focused on his relationship with Anya). That being said, we as viewers have no real insight into his current feelings for Buffy. So, even though I may not like it, this could be the direction Joss is going in.
Angel and Spike seem very unlikely to me. They have so much business going on in L.A. that, to me, it would be impractical to have them travel all the way to Scotland for this. And while I think Spike still has some strong feelings for Buffy, I'm not completely sure about Angel. Not saying she won't always have a special place in his heart, but I think that he's at a point where he doesn't feel like he has to always be the one to rescue Buffy. In Spike's case, I think he feels his place is in L.A. right now, which is why he didn't leave when he became corporeal in season five.
As for Willow, I just don't see it. I've never gotten the feeling that her and Buffy's relationship extended beyond friendship. I mean, with Xander, you could see there was an attraction there (even if it was only one-sided). But with the girls, it has always seemed platonic to me, not even a glimmer of attraction there.
And Dracula? Come on people, that was a one-shot. Then again though, Joss does have a habit of bringing back seemingly unimportant characters years later (the First Evil, anyone?).
On another note, I know they were discussing this on Whedonesque, but I don't remember it here. Any thoughts on Amy's boyfriend? My guess is Larry. The weapons lab she mentioned wouldn't make much sense, but she did mention liking him in season six.
Wow, it looks like my two cents turned into at least a dollar's worth. 
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Wow - totally forgot to discuss Amy's boyfriend!
I can't see it being Larry, he died a long time ago and was more of a humourous character than a menace.
More likely candidates in my humble opinion:
1. Caleb - a lot of power, could survive getting cut in half with a bit of help maybe. But no connection to Amy. Probably wishful thinking that we will see Nathan in comic form again.
2. Warren - flayed alive, burnt to a crisp. Need some fairly major mojo to get him back. Possible connection to Amy due to her spell in 'The Killer in Me'.
3. Adam - the military connection makes this a reasonable shout. And he could sure use a weapons lab. Didn't really 'die' as such, just had his power cell removed. Possible magical replacement from Amy, the references to "She kept him alive" could refer to this. Also, the general being repelled at the end of the first issue at the notion of Amy having sex with the boyfriend - wouldn't like to imagine Adam having sex.
4. Racq - definite connection to Amy. Willow killed him, but Amy could have conceivably got to him and saved him. His teaching could explain Amy's increase in mojo. Could almost be his eyes at the end of issue 1.
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
I can't see it being Larry, he died a long time ago and was more of a humourous character than a menace.
'Fraid I have to concur with that, DG. Yeah, Amy obviously had a thing for him, but there was nothing about him that would've made him a threatening figure. And even if Amy had resurrected him the minute she was de-ratted, that's still mid-S6; he probably would've been little more than a dessicated skeleton wrapped in clothing by then.
As for the other options:
1. - Caleb. I can't see it, if for no other reason than I can't imagine him taking orders from a woman.
2. - Warren. Same reason. Also, his connection to Amy was a fluke; Amy's spell let Willow's subconscious choose the form. Chances are Amy didn't even know who he was.
3. - Adam. The line about the 'weapons lab' fits. But he wasn't all that great a Big Bad the first time around, and Joss himself even admitted this in one of the special features.
4. - Rack. This is my pick. Definite connection to Amy; would have use for a weapons lab, if it were magickal weapons (and the govt. seems to have caught up on the whole magick, occult angle since the Initiative days); Joss could reasonably get away with saying that either DarkWillow didn't actually kill him, just stole his power, or that she did kill him, but Amy got to him just moments later and was able to resurrect him.
The line in issue #2, tho: "That thing is really gross," is making me wonder if maybe whoever/whatever will turn out to be something we've never seen before...
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Just remembered the big bad is supposed to be from season 5. That could be a rumour though. Of course, it doesn't mean that the boyfriend is the big bad but if both are true who would that leave us with as a possibility.
Warren? He first appeared in Season 5 so he would still be in the running. And thinking about it, the weapons lab fits well with his techno skills. And Groo's point about the Willow-to-Warren spell being random is true, but it would be an easy retcon.
Doc? He was a pretty creepy character, no guarentee getting tossed off that tower would have killed him. But not sure if he has big bad potential.
Ben? Perhaps Giles didn't finish him off, or the Knights of Byzantium got the wrong end of the stick about Glory being vulnerable when in Ben's form. Thing is, if Glory is still around we surely should have seen her before now.
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This reminded me of the rumours that Glory would return in Season 7. Before we knew how Giles survived the Bringer "axe attack" in England there was some spec that when Giles had killed Ben, Glory's essence had transfered into him (she was a god, she couldn't be that easy to kill could she?). The theory was that at that moment Glory had emerged, and so the Bringer's axe would have bounced off.
I think there was also an interview with Clare Kramer around at the time which suggested that she may have been coming back to the show, however that never happened (obviously!).
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Originally posted by GloryBe:
I think there was also an interview with Clare Kramer around at the time which suggested that she may have been coming back to the show, however that never happened (obviously!).
I think that rumor ended up referring to the scene at the end of "Lessons" where all the previous seasons' Big Bads came back as the First.
I suppose you couldn't rule out the possibility of her returning in the comics. They could always claim that when Ben died, her essence was able to escape to some other dimension or something, and it took her this long to find her way back. But then what? She tries to grab Dawn again ('Oh, it turns out there was more than just that one opportunity to use the Key...')? That'd be kind of repetitive...
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
1. Caleb - a lot of power, could survive getting cut in half with a bit of help maybe. But no connection to Amy. Probably wishful thinking that we will see Nathan in comic form again.
Actually, we will be seeing Nathan in he comics later on this year. A new set of Firefly comics called "Better Days" will be out in December I think.
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Serenity in Scotland: Joss once said that he intended for Willow to be bisexual originally, but when he decided to kill off Tara, he thought it might cheapen the Willow/Tara relationship, and make it seem like it was simply a phase she was going through so he changed his mind. For the record, I didn't agree with that. I personally never would've felt that way about Willow/Tara, but I can understand how that would appear to some. I did feel that by Willow being completely gay, it sort of did the opposite and cheapened her relationships with Oz and Xander...that said, I wish they never would've gone that far with Willow/Xander in Season 3. I always thought it should've been exactly 1 kiss, and they would both realize there was no chemistry at all--cuz in my opinion, there wasn't. It was icky!!!
DeepGirl: I personally always thought the First Evil should've been a character revisited. I was only surprised it took so long to go there.
Glorybe: Joss said that he ended up not being able to bring back the majority of the Big Bads due to funds...he was trying to be able to afford the Ubervampapalooza scenes. I always thought the intention was for the former Big Bads to continue being The First, which is also why Buffy was used so much for that.
"In Joss We Trust."
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Well, just got my issue and after reading it finally read this thread. Couple of my thoughts:
As to the spell on Buffy, maybe it's subtle misdirection. The last comment Amy made (as someone else mentioned above) is that she needs a kiss from someone "passionately devoted to her". Perhaps Amy bungled the spell, and the emphasis is on "devoted", which might not necessarily mean a relationship-type love. And, symbolism aside, it's not necessarily a sleeping-beauty kiss that's needed, perhaps just a peck on the cheek or the forehead. A parent would be passionately devoted, which means that a kiss from Giles would do it. Although when I really think about it, it seems like a cheap way out of it. (Although I can just see them lining up everybody in the castle to try and break the spell. "Still asleep? Alright then, next!")
As for the possible Buffy/Xander relationship
Someone else mentioned that they thought that Amy seeking revenge on Buffy was a weak plot idea, and that Amy couldn't have known that there wasn't someone there who could break the spell. Well, Amy's been trapped underground for 18 months, keeping someone/thing alive as her "boyfriend"; she may be a little bit bonkers. Also, Xander may be the only man at that location. Giles appears to be somewhere else, I'm not certain about Andrew (although it probably wouldn't make a difference) which would bring the options down to 1. But personally, I'm thinking that attacking Buffy is just a ruse. I think she's really looking for revenge against Willow, and attacking Buffy is just an easy way of drawing Willow out.
As for the possible Xander/Buffy relationship, one thing that might point to it is the setup of the slayer camp. Xander doesn't appear to be in a relationship with anyone despite being surrounded by a lot of women and not much else. Might indicate that he's still holding a torch for Buffy. (And given his past history of dating, does this mean that Renee, the slayer who appears to be interested in him, is a demon?)
But more than likely I'm over-analyzing and it will end up looking like I was reading a completely different comic.
Someone else was wondering about the guest artist for issue #5. In the letters page it mentions that the artist for issue #5 (Paul Lee) has worked on Buffy comics in the past. You might be able to find some samples of his previous work online.
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Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Joss said that he ended up not being able to bring back the majority of the Big Bads due to funds...he was trying to be able to afford the Ubervampapalooza scenes. I always thought the intention was for the former Big Bads to continue being The First, which is also why Buffy was used so much for that.
I don't know if it's ever been discussed but one thing has been nagging me about The First appearing as various people. I seem to remember that The First could only appear as those who are dead, but often appeared as Buffy. Did I get it wrong (wouldn't be the first time)? Can The First appear as those who have died? Is Buffy not alive in the "normal" sense?
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