Season 8, #2 (SPOILERS)
POSTED BY: deepgirl187
UPDATED: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 18:10
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Originally posted by daveshayne:
Assuming that Xander still has the passion thing for Buffy. I think by season 4 that was pretty much out of his system.
Kind of my thinking on it, too. Take Buffy, Xander, and Willow as a group, and I think--over 7 years--the relationships between the three were pretty well cemented as uber-close friends (for all intents and purposes, brother/sisters) and nothing more. Taking any two out of the three (Buffy/Xander, Buffy/Willow, or Willow/Xander) and putting them in a romantic relationship together at this point would just be... maybe 'weird' is too strong a word, but 'odd' at least. Hard to get used to.
I'm still sticking with my first answer that the guy in the dream is Angel (could those mysterious floaty feet in issue #1 have been his, as well? What the hell could've happened to him after NFA?
), and he'll be the one to awaken her... but probably not until issue #4. 
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When does the Faith arc start? I can't remember if it was 3 or 4 issues that we would start the independent Faith arc.
I still can't believe (and maybe I'm obsessing over this) that the answer to what happened in 'Not Fade Away' will be provided in the Buffy comic. I know that Joss never meant to have Angel's story end in that alley, but now (for me anyway, and I suspect for a large proportion of Buffyverse fans) with the shows cancellation, that image of the four heroes standing in the downpour and the line "Let's go to work." has become iconic. I would be disappointed - and shocked! - if Angel was to reappear to kiss Buffy and said "Yeah, got into a bit of trouble in L.A. but that's a long story and this is a comic so we don't have time to go into it. Pucker up Buffy." Ditto Spike.
So I'm going with Angel/Spike as a vision/hallucination (maybe the fabled oil wrestling...) and either Xander or Dracula as the kisser.
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
When does the Faith arc start? I can't remember if it was 3 or 4 issues that we would start the independent Faith arc.
I'm fairly certain I read that issues 6 - 9 are slated for the Faith arc. I think it's in the letters of #2 (can't check at the moment) and wikipedia agrees for what it's worth.
David
"Not completely as well as the series of Firefly..." - From a review of Serenity at amazon.de
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
When does the Faith arc start? I can't remember if it was 3 or 4 issues that we would start the independent Faith arc.
The current storyline, subtitled "The Long Way Home" takes up issues #1-4. #5 will be a standalone, also written by Joss, and drawn by a different artist. #6-9 will be about Faith, drawn by the current artist (Jeanty) and written by Brian K. Vaughan. There'll be a month break, with no issue released, between #4 and 5 (
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So I'm going with Angel/Spike as a vision/hallucination (maybe the fabled oil wrestling...) and either Xander or Dracula as the kisser.
Thinking about it a little more last night, I think you might be right (except the Dracula part; still not sure where ppl are getting that). Nothing short of seeing it proved otherwise in the comic itself is gonna sway me from my guess of Angel being the mystery guy in the dream. But further consideration makes it pretty unlikely he'll be the kisser.
When you think about it, this whole plot of Amy's is kinda weak. I mean, there's no way she coulda known Buffy didn't have someone new in her life that could've broken the spell with a kiss right then and there. As revenge goes, it's a pretty lame idea. The only good reason for it seems like as a storytelling device, a way of proving to the readers without a doubt that the kisser is deeply in love with Buffy. From that standpoint, Angel makes almost no sense. Why? 1) We all already know that he's crazy in love with her--we don't need to have it proved yet again; and 2) Even if he makes a guest appearance, he's not going to stick around and be a main character in every issue, and this plotline by Joss seems like nothing more than a novel way of kicking off a new relationship for Buffy.
Xander seems like the obvious choice, almost by process of elimination... but I wonder. The fact that Joss is so strongly hinting at it in this issue makes me wonder if that's all just misdirection. I'd--seriously--almost guess Willow as a surprise darkhorse (no pun intended) candidate, except I have trouble believing he'd take Buffy's character in that direction.
Xander&Buffy... I'm not, like, violently opposed to it or anything (certainly nothing like that crazy chick in the lettercol who basically told Joss "Bring Tara back or else!"
). I think they could've made an interesting couple--we know Xander definitely thought so, once upon a time. But it just seems like the ship has already sailed on that possibility. Early in S4 was really the last best chance to do it. Their relationship since then just feels like it's become too solidly defined as something else to move it back in a romantic direction...I have to agree with an earlier comment: it's so cool to have new stuff to speculate about again!!
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Groo: I remember now that Boobs Whatserface supplied more coats for him.
And about Andrew, I feel no shame whatsoever that I didn't get the reference right away (it took reading a review for the comic for me to 'get' it). I was little the first time I saw the movies, and when I tried to watch them again a few years ago, I fell asleep. I remember the names of only a few characters...and he wasn't one of them! So, 
...right back at ya!
"In Joss We Trust."
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Thanks for clearing up the order of upcoming issues for me Groo.
I like your idea about misdirection - Xander is the obvious candidate, and we all know Joss doesn't like the obvious. I can't really see Willow as the kisser - we have had arcs in the past where a major character turns gay and others with unrequited love between Scoobies, so whether or not Buffy reciprocated we wouldn't be breaking any new ground. Of course, you could be right about this kiss being a plot device to introduce a new relationship for Buffy and in that case, all roads lead to Bander.
PS. Suprised DeepGirl isn't joining in this discussion. I'd be interested to see what she thinks cos her opinions on the Buffyverse quite often mesh with mine.
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Does anyone here think that there's even the tiniest possibility that Xander has always still loved Buffy, but because he believed it was impossible, he pushed it so far back in his mind that he went into total denial that it was still there? I mean we've all had experiences where we liked or loved someone who didn't love us, yet we had to move on. Didn't necessarily mean those feelings ever went completely away, though. Xander finally was able to move on with Anya, but still couldn't bring himself to marry her, even though he did love her. Isn't possible that there were Buffy undertones to that he kept even from himself?
"In Joss We Trust."
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Well I guess you could think of a couple points to support Xander never quite getting over Buffy.
1. "He just hides behind his Buffy, now look he's getting huffy cos he knows that I know" The line from OMWF that suggests Anya knows deep down that Xander still harbours feelings for Buffy. The line obviously doesn't refer to Xander being afraid during fights as he couldn't be accused of that.
2. Xander's vision of his and Anya's future in 'Hell's Bells'. The bit where Xander and Anya fight about him not being able to save Buffy - his inability to recover from her death suggests the loss of something more than a treasured friend, perhaps the loss of something more to him.
If I was honest, for me, the ultimate Buffyverse couple to get together (waaaay down the line) would be Xander and Willow. I know Willow's gay, but I don't feel Willow never defined herself as a lesbian. It was about one girl in the whole world, not that she was now only attracted to women. I think maybe thats why I disliked Kennedy so much - I didn't see Willow as a lesbian who happened to be going out with Tara, I saw her as a girl in love. And I felt Kennedy was a cheap continuation of that. I think Willow would always look at a person without seeing what sex they were. Am I making any sense at all?
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Originally posted by jwhedonaddict:
Does anyone here think that there's even the tiniest possibility that Xander has always still loved Buffy, but because he believed it was impossible, he pushed it so far back in his mind that he went into total denial that it was still there?
Like I said in a previous post, after Angel&Cordy, I wouldn't rule out any possibility. If there were ever two characters you couldn't imagine possibly falling in love, it would've been those two, during their Sunnydale days, and then their first two years in LA. So, yeah, I wouldn't rule out Xander still feeling that way... or anything else.
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Originally posted by SerenityinScotland:
I know Willow's gay, but I don't feel Willow never defined herself as a lesbian. It was about one girl in the whole world, not that she was now only attracted to women. I think maybe thats why I disliked Kennedy so much - I didn't see Willow as a lesbian who happened to be going out with Tara, I saw her as a girl in love. And I felt Kennedy was a cheap continuation of that. I think Willow would always look at a person without seeing what sex they were. Am I making any sense at all?
You are, and I agree.
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I had a very good day. I finally discovered a comic store (I live in Knoxville, Tn). I set out on a quest to find it, and miraculously (you have no idea), I did.
Then, I scanned the isles again and again. Looking desperately over a veritable garden of crap, and the stuff that looks up to crap. Then, just before despair fell upon me, I was pleasantly suprised to find Runaways 25. Yahoo!
Encouraged, I revisited my efforts. Back and forth across the isles (This store too cool for alphebetical order, I guess).
Then, when I was almost ready to give up and go, there it was: Buffy 2, both covers. I bought the last two, and the Runaways. Yahoo!
Very good day. I just wanted to share.
I saw the Willow return coming like a George Foreman right hook, but I still loved it.
I won't speculate about who Buffy's true love savior will be because I totally expect to be surprised.
I will say that I always liked Dawn and Xander as a couple. But, years later.
Giddy, just giddy.
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