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POSTED BY: Lance
UPDATED: Monday, April 9, 2007 13:57
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But forget the money part. I'm really just talking characters and what I feel about them. At least to me what I feel is important.
I'm a latecomer to this story, not like you veterans. But I waited to watch the Serenity DVD until after I had gone through the Firefly episodes five times, including a round with the commentaries. After I saw Serenity last night I was sick, I wished I had never seen it and stayed with only the series. I felt horrible, and I hate it when that happens. I certainly don't purposely pay money for that experience.
It all comes down to this, people usually identify with a certain character in a story, in this case since most of us are normal average types, it would be the character most similar to us, the regular guy.
So again my statement: Joss killed us when he killed Wash.
Of course, I am a completely unsuccessful writer, so what do I know?
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Yeah...sorry about the snark, Lance. I've been grouchy all day, and I let that get the better of me. I apologize.
I understand about the grief and heartache. Wash was my favorite character, and I was stunned when he died. I gasped and clapped my hand over my mouth when it happened, and it stayed there the whole rest of the movie (and for a few minutes afterward). I was stunned, but not devastated--it took me time to adjust, but that's normal, I think. Cinematically, I understand why Joss did it, but that doesn't make me feel better. After a spell, though, I came to grips with it. Give it time, Lance--you might, too. In the end, I think moving on make the 'verse a richer place; people die there, just like IRL, and we have to grieve for them and move along.
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Again, Joss killed us when he killed Wash. In fact he may have even killed himself.
Yes, which is why the DVD sales have been so huge that they are putting out a special edition. Because the fans simply up and abandoned Joss forever and ever. Your analysis is spot on.
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Originally posted by theonetruebix: Yes, which is why the DVD sales have been so huge that they are putting out a special edition. Because the fans simply up and abandoned Joss forever and ever. Your analysis is spot on.
I didn't mean it that way. Most writers put a character in a story that is themselves, or at least what they would like to be. I was theorizing that Wash was Joss in this story line. So maybe when he killed Wash he killed himself (in the story). Just as he killed me in this story. That's all I was saying.
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the same effect could have been had by having him loose and arm or leg
This, of course, is hogwash. A maiming isn't a death in any way that could be considered a dramatic equivalency.
Why do I feel like I'm reliving the Save Wash debacle all over again (except that at least we're not talking about a campaign that by its very nature spoils the movie for everyone else this time.)
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You're right about the spoiler part, I should have put a warning in the subject. I'll try to fix that if I can.
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This, of course, is hogwash. A maiming isn't a death in any way that could be considered a dramatic equivalency.
Yes you're right people have arms and legs ripped off everyday, what's the big deal? Except say if it's your best friends leg or you brothers leg, that is someone you care about, you might be afraid that they could die from such a thing, especially under combat conditions. You might be very upset. I don't know myself, I don't have any siblings or such friends, but I think if I did and I saw them get their leg ripped off and bleed profusely, that I might be afraid, and shocked. In the case of this story I might also see a greater opportunity for Zoe to show emotion through prolonged fear rather than the instant death. I just say'n.
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I didn't say maiming was nothing. I said it wasn't the dramatic equivalent.
Anyway, the point is, ultimately, you don't want Joss to have told the story he wanted to tell.
That's fine. But don't run around saying "I"m a writer and I understand what you don't" while you in the same breath disrespect Joss' writing craft as being something we can influence because it's about money not art.
Somehow I don't think accusing Joss of being someone who will cave to the influence of money is going to win you very many supporters amongst his fans.
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Well I guess I wasn't looking for supporters. The website was kind of an experiment, I never expected it to be anything more than a statement really. Maybe I didn't explain that statement as well as I should have. Obviously there's much more depth above.
Also, maybe I shouldn't have emphasized the money aspect as I did, but I think it's too often disregarded. Don't forget that Joss is a multimillionaire, and I would not be surprised if some of the actors are the same after making the movie. Money can sometimes have strange influences. An example would be some famous writers, suddenly their novels bloat to a thousand pages when they should probably be half that long, or even less. In fact it is the loss of the need for money that can let art run wild. I'm not saying that has happened in this case, but it should be kept in mind.
In the end this is probably just a waste of time for me. I should be off reading a book or trying to write another short story, not sitting here all afternoon crying over a beloved character that's not even mine. I should leave it at that.
I think I'll set the Firefly theme to replay for the rest of the day.
Thanks to all for reading.
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Originally posted by Lance:
Also, maybe I shouldn't have emphasized the money aspect as I did, but I think it's too often disregarded. Don't forget that Joss is a multimillionaire, and I would not be surprised if some of the actors are the same after making the movie. Money can sometimes have strange influences.
I'm not (!) attacking you, but I do want to say - if you feel that way about the actors (or if you simply have suspicions you want to verify) you should check out the MySpace pages (for those who have them) and the stories from Flan B and all the other tidbits floating around both here and at Whedonesque to get a feel for how accessible and down to earth these guys still are. At the very least it might cheer you up a little.
:)
Don't make faces.
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