River vs Love?
POSTED BY: OrangeHat
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 17:16
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Originally posted by OrangeHat:
I like the above discussions involving River being too damaged for love. Thats an interesting concept and I look forward to the fanfic.
yeah, i found the concept enlightening as well.
to me, it seems that River hasnt been allowed to mature socially since the time she entereed the academy... which kinda feels like something ripped out of an anime... the child trapped in a woman's body.
i'm not really so sure about her being damaged from maturing socially... but i'd have to agree that her added abilities would take a lot of love and understanding, etc...etc...
and oddly enough... all the chats about Jayne basically showing a respect for women that he doesnt show to others makes him an ideal candidate to care for River.
maybe the only barrier to that is that he hasnt really recognized that River's childlike dependance on Mal and the crew for her wellbeing isnt solely because of her, but more in the way that she was raped by the alliance. Jayne was being shown the way to that illumination, especially in Ariel, but he still had a ways to go... and if he reached that point, he may have been a solid love interest for River.
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I think someone coming onto the ship that makes her some what sane and stable could cause some kind of love strikenness in her.
I don't mean a doctor or anything, just someone who knows how to talk to her, someone who kinda fixes her chemistry just through their relationship (beginning as acquaintances). Meh, just an idea.
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Today I am a pirate.
I'm thinking we need like an Anthony Green character, someone who's beautiful, capable of eargasms and is on a little tooooo much coc. :P Basically the Early strange spontanious person that the ship is lacking. I mean the man licked the pole and I'm a tad embarrassed to say that when my sister saw that she basically yelled OMG he licks things JUST LIKE YOU... hang my head, whatever, I think if anyone is added to the ship they have to have that wacky deep down serious contemplating personality that is so hard to come by but so amazing once its found. Not that River would necessarily fall for said person, that was basically what I pictured when you mentioned a new ship mate. Though a crazy fun play mate might be what she needs. Everyone on the ship talks AROUND River, never really to her about things that should be concerning her. I think she needs a pal to conspire with. If not more, but I'm still standing by the SINGLE RIVER IDEA I have mentioned previously....soo whatever I just said can be vetoed :P
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Well, right now, Jayne is the only unattached male on the ship.
That said, I feel sympathy for any guy who fell out with River.
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I think had the show gone on *reflective pause* River would of experinced love or even something along those lines, and i think it would be both tragic and pretty damn funny 
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Cause lets face it shes got that thing cut out of her brain so she can't really hide it, plus she is crazy after all with a protective brother and gunslinging crew. So yeah i can see Joss doing another "Our Mrs. Reynolds" moment with River and some love interest.
River will do something crazy, Simon will be over-protective, Jayne will shoot something and that poor boy will be there thinking "Oh my god what am I into?"
And laughs go all round
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I feel sympathy for any guy who fell out with River.
Sort of My Super Ex-Girlfriend meets Carrie...
(Yeah, I know River doesn't actually have telekinetic powers, but it's just for the image...)
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Jayne/River getting together?
Serenity II as a wacky screwball "rom-com"?
No! NO!! NO!!!
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I have a daughter with Asparger's Syndrome (high end autistm with normal to high intelligence that mainly manifests itself as low social skills) so I may have a small bit of insight into River.
I think that River, feeling everything, would have lots of problems once she's sane enough for the hormones to kick in. First. she'd be incapable of forming a traditional relationship for a long, long time. She's basically an infant in the relationship department.
More than likely she'd develop a very bad crush on Mal, the daddy figure, on Serenity. What girl, in her younger years hasn't practiced her 'wiles' on her dad, but with River would most likely mistake these emotions for real love.
Of course, hilarity and lots of angst would ensue. Mal would be clueless for a long while, then horrified, then of course come to blows with Simon.
Like others suggested, then Simon and Mal would try to introduce River to appropriate boys, with very limited success. Zoe and especially Inara, would try to teach her about relationships, responsible sexuality etc. Of course, River would take everything literally and have lots of problems.
I admit that for a long time I cringed at the thought of River paired with Jayne, but I've come around on the subject. The age factor is moot. It's the relationship, not the ages of the participants that matter.
River might find that the older Jayne is a lot more stable and intelligent than most of us think and that's what River needs. Not some hormone driven teenager.
Jayne is uncomplicated and straight forward in the emotion department. He is also very protective and I suspect family oriented deep down inside and capable of deep emotions as his character develops.
It couldn't be a wacky 'rom con' but a relationship with lots of angst. some hilarity and learning on both sides.
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I admit that for a long time I cringed at the thought of River paired with Jayne, but I've come around on the subject. The age factor is moot. It's the relationship, not the ages of the participants that matter.
River might find that the older Jayne is a lot more stable and intelligent than most of us think and that's what River needs. Not some hormone driven teenager.
Jayne is uncomplicated and straight forward in the emotion department. He is also very protective and I suspect family oriented deep down inside and capable of deep emotions as his character develops.
It couldn't be a wacky 'rom con' but a relationship with lots of angst, some hilarity and learning on both sides.
Very well put!
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Even if we forgett River for a moment, I still cannot see Rayne. She being crazy and all that, we are all guessing to some extent what she would or would not do. (Even though I see no basis whatsoever for Rayne. Ever. I do not read it. I will try to avoid reading any material written by any author that has written any. They think different from me.)
The only reasons I can see River going for Jayne is the wrong one. She is on a hormonal rush, or wants to "tame the monster". Or rather the author wants to tame Jayne.
You know... they are the only one able to get someone to change... a major part of most romantic stories and notions. This is Mary Sueing the story.
But even then, why would Jayne go for such a thing? While I do not think he hates her in any way (he just thinks she is a liability), there is nothing to form any bond.
I see no reason for him to go heads over heals for her. (Nor do I think such a play would occur between ANY character in Firefly. It's not that type of 'verse. Closer to "real life".)
Jayne is not as simple as people make him out to be. That is simply bad characterisation.
also, Jayne IS already fully developed. He is not some teenager who will radically change with what life throws at him. He has been through that.
He has gone through a lot of the change that he would because of life. there will be more, but nothing drastic. He actually enjoys violence. That is not a side that is likely to change soon.
I am sorry if I come across as rather rude, but.. well... there is no justification for Jayne in my eyes.
If people want to write it, They can. I will not try to hinder them in any way, or leave any comments to put them off their stride. that is their right. But this is a general discussion.
I normally do read any justifications for Rayne (or any other pairing) because simply put I want to see where the notions come from. but I cannot see it at all, and the "justifications" are too off center for me.
PS Just to be clear, my stance on the whole thing:
I CAN see river having a crush on Mal. I cannot see him reciprocating it.
I CANNOT see River having a crush on Jayne. I also cannot see Jayne having a crush on her.
I CAN see River getting a crush on someone else. I CAN see them returning it, especially if they are a teenager (they say when you are 16 everything is a true love). I CAN also see it ending badly.
(I know Rayne writers/readers are being forced into an oppressed minority, but I hate how it has become the default scenario for new writers. They wanna write a story and take Rayne as a given (either because of how much there already ios, or because of them being the two free crew members). If people write it it should be for the right reasons. That way I would avoid less authors. Yes I am that selfish)
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