Tehran Condemns 300
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Too bad I won't have time to see the movie. Maybe on DVD.
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Originally posted by SoupCatcher:
The analytical side of my mind did get taken out of the story every time Leonidas mentioned they were fighting for freedom and I'm looking for help here from those who have studied ancient Sparta more: didn't the Spartans have like a shitload of slaves? (* edited to add: Okay. I went back and read the thread and saw this already came up, so that answers my question).
In fact they were fighting for freedom, what you have to remember is that there is a difference between fighting for freedom and fighting for universal freedom.
Think about the American Revolution, it was a fight for economic and political freedom, and was constantly called a fight for freedom. Were there slaves? More than in Sparta.
The freedoms enjoyed by the slave owning peoples of the Greek peninsula are well recorded, and they fought to the death to defend those freedoms many times. Whether or not the historical Leonidas would have used freedom quite so much is unclear, but all of the Greeks at Thermopylae (not just the Spartans) were fighting for their freedom and I don't think it is hard to imagine that some of them might have mentioned that point, and mentioned it repeatedly.
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Originally posted by Razza:
The plot was a bit thin, but what do you expect from a graphic novel adaptation?
I think that is more the fault of history than of the graphic novel. There isn't all that much to tell:
Persia wanted submission, symbolized by the gift of earth and water.
The Athenians threw the ambassador into a pit, the Spartans threw theirs into a well.
Oracle at Delphi told Leonidas that Sparta would either be destroyed or mourn the loss of her king.
He gathered a force of 300 men with sons old enough to support their families.
(The Persians slipped around the Greeks at the vale of Tempe.)
The Greeks gathered at Thermopylae to stop the Persian land invasion.
Leonidas said, "Come and get them," when asked for his weapons. Dienekes said, "We shall fight in the shade," when told the Persian arrows would blot out the sun.
Nothing happened for the next four days.
Xerxes sent in one wave of attackers, they were slaughtered.
Xerxes sent in the immortals, they were withdrawn after failing to make any progress.
Xerxes sent in more soldiers, they too failed.
Two days of battle had now elapsed, Xerxes withdrew
At about this point someone (Ephialtes, Onetas or Corydallus) told Xerxes about the pass the 1,000 Phocians were guarding.
The Phoncians cut and ran without a fight.
Leonidas ordered most of the army to retreat, including Aristodemus a Spartan with an eye injury. Only about 300 Spartans, 700 Thespians and 400 Thebans remained.
The Thebans surrendered.
Everyone else fought to the death.
The movie, and presumably the graphic novel, covers most of that and adds in a bit more.
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Anyone else think it's funny when (an adaptation of) a true story has a disclaimer at the end saying everything is fake?
Actually it's amazing what disclaimers really say if you read them, according to the disclaimer at the end of V for Vendetta Guy Fawkes is a fictional character and neither the Old Bailey nor Palace of Westminster (the Houses of Parliament) exist in reality.
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According to Iranian television, it's all a "zionist" conspiracy:
http://switch5.castup.net/frames/20041020_MemriTV_Popup/video_480x360.
asp?ai=214&ar=1400wmv&ak=null
Amazing how those animals always get around to blaming the Jews.
By the way, 300 is accurate. The Persians were savage subhuman dogs and their descendents today are even worse.
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Here's a transcript of the lunacy from the savages:
Reporter: Tonight, IRINN commentary also sheds more light on the conspiracy behind the screening of this anti-culture Hollywood film.
Voiceover: Screening of the movie '300' which has depicted war between the Persians and the Greeks, using an unreal and fabricated story, is facing a wave of protests and criticism by Iranians both inside and outside the country. Warner Bros., which belongs to the famous and rich American Jew, is the company that has made the movie. This movie, which is totally against Persian culture and civilization, could be considered a production by Zionists and a group of American extremists. The film '300' shows the historical war between Persians, at the time of King Xerxes, with the Spartans. The director wrongly depicts the Persians as being violent and warmongers. This film is a complete distortion of history. It shows the Spartans, who were warmongers and racists and violent, as peace lovers, and the Persians as uncivilized- which is nothing but a lie. In addition to distortion of history, the Zionist Warner Company is also pursuing cultural and political objectives by producing such a film which has a very shallow script. From the cultural point of view, the Zionists and the elements affiliated to the U.S. have tried to launch a propaganda front against ancient and historical roots of Iranians, and the hasty production of this film is an indication of its propaganda aspect. But political intentions of Warner have been more important than anything else. This film tries to paint a violent image of Persians who are against peace in today's world, in order to increase the international political pressure on Iran. This is while films should be made of crimes committed by the Americans, throughout history, all around the world, and it should be shown what the so-called civilized Zionists and Americans are doing today with human rights and humanity.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Anyone else think it's funny when (an adaptation of) a true story has a disclaimer at the end saying everything is fake?
There was a disclaimer? I think I must have missed it. What did it say?
On second thought, not knowing might give me an adequate justification to drop $7.50 on another ticket...
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Originally posted by Causal:
There was a disclaimer? I think I must have missed it. What did it say?
I don't remember the exact words, just that my reaction was one of shock and amusement and that it was clearly false.
If I had to guess I'd say that it was probably the standard, "All places, events and people portrayed in this motion picture are fictitious. Any resemblance to real places, events or people, living or dead, is purely coincidental," but I encourage you to watch it again to find out the true wording.
I started to pay attention to these things when I saw V for Vendetta and the only reason that I noticed that was that it also stated all of the buildings were unrelated to reality (which is a lie) and the fact that the first character on screen was Guy Fawkes, a very real, and very dead, person.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Guy Fawkes, a very real, and very dead, person.
As opposed to...undead?
Hee--love it when I can self-amuse!
Also, just wanted to take the time to say, officially: welcome back, Chris! Where ya been?
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Originally posted by CrevanReaver:
Here's a transcript of the lunacy from the savages:
This is while films should be made of crimes committed by the Americans, throughout history, all around the world
You know as an American I'm always fascinated to learn about our godlike power. For example I was under the impression that Americans (in the modern sense) have only been around for 231 to 400 years (depending on your point of view) so to have committed crimes throughout history (which is substantially longer) we would need incredible influence over time. The kind of influence most scientists think is impossible.
Yay for us and our incredible, criminal, powers.
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Originally posted by Causal:
Also, just wanted to take the time to say, officially: welcome back, Chris! Where ya been?
Sorry I missed this, I have a habit of starting a post, wondering away, then finishing the post, and forgetting to check to see if anything has been posted in the meantime.
As for where I've been, I've been ... here. Sometimes I just stop posting. Either there aren't any topics that interest me, or I burn out, or something here rubs me the wrong way, or I just stop for reasons I can't explain.
I'm not sure what it was this most recent time, but I'm never actually gone long, it's just sometimes when I come back I can't think of anything to say, so I'm usually silent for longer than I'm gone. Sometimes much longer.
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Thanks for welcoming me back.
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